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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#476: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:25:50 PM

[up]This.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#477: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:27:17 PM

I think I could get behind the removal of the namespace.

@ Septimus: It's not a change in policy, although it's one which we admittedly haven't enforced as well as we should have, sorry. But it's been prohibited for some time.

I don't understand why it's any harder to enforce, though.

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#478: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:30:20 PM

By "works we link to", are we still talking about fanfic recs or having an article on the work, period. I think we've all more or less settled on banning recs of blatantly pornographic fics or fics that depict illegal activities (by U.S. standards), but we aren't going to remove the articles on those works. We will however make sure that our articles are not gushy, creepy, or pornographic in and of themselves.

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#479: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:30:39 PM

I don't see how maintaining watchful eyes on what are usually a few sentences about a fanfic is going to be lower maintainence than keeping our eyes on dozens of pages about fanfics with questionable material. At least the stuff I found on the FIM recommendations page is all in one place meaning I can swoop in and clear house. If I'd had to hunt across dozens of wiki pages it would have flown completely under my radar. You can hide a page better than you can hide text.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#480: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:30:41 PM

I'm starting to agree with ccoa's suggestion.

We are basically arguing for pages if recommending a fic that contains content such as porn (and specific variants such as child porn) is fine. Some feel it should be forbidden, some don't (and sometimes it depends upon exactly what is the offense). Moreover, enforcing any rule regarding the content of the rec'd thing here seems to be a super-difficult thing (combing through the rec'd work, and reading laws if we use legality as a standard) that might not be worth its purpose.

ETA. To clarify an important bit.

edited 31st Mar '12 12:31:35 PM by SeptimusHeap

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lolacat Dead? You thought wrong from Vancouver Island Since: Mar, 2011
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#481: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:32:42 PM

Fanfic recs is just too subjective, far too much of a risk/magnet for bad stuff and I don't see why we need it.

Seeing all these piss ant tropers trying to talk tough makes me laugh. If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#482: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:33:37 PM

OK. It's crowner time now? I think that everyone has by now said what they needed to say.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#483: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:34:27 PM

So it looks like the plan is axing Fanfic recs and instead of it use the more neutral fan works index for series in general, giving an exclusive page for those series with a massive ammount of fanworks in the style of My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic Non Canon right?

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#484: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:34:34 PM

Yup. Let's have a crowner for what to do with these things.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#485: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:34:38 PM

@Lola: By that logic, let's zap all reviews, since that's exactly what they are. Very short reviews in the end.

However, I don't mind either way. I'd prefer them up and we can zap/not allow any particular bad ones.

edited 31st Mar '12 12:35:12 PM by Hydronix

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#486: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:36:32 PM

What are options for a crowner? Only "removing recs" or also "forbid recs for works with <objectionable content>"?

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CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#487: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:38:48 PM

Option for nuking all since this will just cause too much hassle in the long run. I think we are probably right about nuking the reviews too, someone is bound to use those to hide objectionable content.

GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#488: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:41:23 PM

The reviews? That's going... far. Too far. How would people use this to hide creepy stuff behind?

Guys, this is what I referred to as using a mallot when you need a scalpel.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
vigilantly taxonomish
#489: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:42:30 PM

Hold on a second. Is the suggestion here that we are literally not capable of hosting reviews without gushing about child pornography?

I'm not even altogether incredulous here, but has it really come to this?

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lolacat Dead? You thought wrong from Vancouver Island Since: Mar, 2011
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#490: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:42:55 PM

Keeping review is okay, but fanfic recs is a whole lot creepier and is just too much trouble.

Seeing all these piss ant tropers trying to talk tough makes me laugh. If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#491: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:43:18 PM

Nuking reviews is taking it too far guys...

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Bookyangel2438 from New York City Since: Jul, 2011
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#493: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:43:51 PM

I'm sure we have a rule for not having reviews with creepy content in it, and that the forum rules are supposed (I read such a comment once, but either I'm searching in the wrong place or there is no explicit mention of that anywhere) to apply there as well.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#494: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:45:59 PM

Also, we aren't talking about reviews here. About fanfic recs.

Also, which option(s) should go in a crowner? I feel that any such change would need only one option, but it's just an idea.

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#495: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:46:32 PM

Er-hem. That was not my suggestion whatsoever. I apologize for making it sound like that.

Anyway, I'd prefer just to zap the bad recs(or unreccable ones) instead.

Crowner sounds good.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#496: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:46:39 PM

I'm pretty new as a mod, but I haven't seen much trouble from reviews. They seem to stay pretty quiet.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
lolacat Dead? You thought wrong from Vancouver Island Since: Mar, 2011
Dead? You thought wrong
#497: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:47:11 PM

Either nuke fanfic recs or attempt to clean it up?

That last one is hopeless by the way.

Seeing all these piss ant tropers trying to talk tough makes me laugh. If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.
Bookyangel2438 from New York City Since: Jul, 2011
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#499: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:48:23 PM

Can we appoint mods specifically to the task of policing the fanfic recs to enforce the new rules? We might not even need them that long; once the hedgerows start getting pruned, the perverts will move on, and the whole thing will become lower maintainence.

My other idea is to start up a special efforts branch. We get a big group of Tropers together and go out and take down anything explicit and involving characters under sixteen.

EDIT: A crowner would at least be decisive.

edited 31st Mar '12 12:48:45 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
vigilantly taxonomish
#500: Mar 31st 2012 at 12:48:25 PM

I've tended only to read reviews for things that I like, but barring the occasional troll review or comment section bickering, I don't recall them being trouble at all.

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SingleProposition: FanficRecs
31st Mar '12 12:47:23 PM

Crown Description:

There have been suggestions to forbid recs for fics that have certain content, namely illegal sex, in them, and due to the difficulties in enforcing such rules in practice it has been proposed to remove Fanfic Recommendations altogether.

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