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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

ToonAbby Have a Death-End Thanksgiving, y'all! from Gamindustri Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Have a Death-End Thanksgiving, y'all!
#13601: Jul 16th 2024 at 9:46:58 AM

[up][up] Are these fine?

YMMV.Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory

  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • While received much better in the West than she is in Japan, Plutia is the most contested CPU of the game. Some find her amusing for carrying the game's best moments through her lovable ditziness and dark sense of humor, and the idea of an Anti-Hero CPU - something that hasn't been touched upon since then - was a pretty cool concept. Others find her annoying for dragging out the game through her laziness and idiocy, and the sadisim she displays in both forms made her come across as too aggressive and unlikable, especially when she targets her allies for very petty and self-satisfying reasons. It doesn't help that unlike the previous Planeptune CPUs, she doesn't develop beyond her traits nor do we have a lot of information about her.

YMMV.Megadimension Neptunia VII

  • Broken Base:
    • Blanc's daydream in the H arc, which is revealed to be her with larger breasts and a big ego to come with it, has caused a significant divide within the (mostly Western) fan base. To some, when compared to the other CPUs dreams that emphasized on their Hidden Depths in a heartwarming light, the scene felt like a slap in the face for a character who was defined by more than just her chest insecurities, all for the sake of continuing a joke that has long run it's course. To others, it's a reflection of her hinted body image issues. Blanc has been ridiculed by other characters (usually Vert, but sometimes Neptune) for her small breasts so much, that she desires to have a full-bosomed body as to not be mocked again, even with the knowledge that her nation prefers her regular slim build because it makes her stand out.

(As a side note, "petite" means small not "small chest", though both can overlap)

YMMV.Neptunia

"It's requested that your death ends here, now!" - Sayaka, Death end re;Quest Code Z.
Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#13602: Jul 16th 2024 at 10:48:56 AM

Much better.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#13603: Jul 16th 2024 at 1:33:08 PM

[up][up] Yeah, they look a lot better.

Eh, good enough.
ToonAbby Have a Death-End Thanksgiving, y'all! from Gamindustri Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Have a Death-End Thanksgiving, y'all!
#13604: Jul 16th 2024 at 2:51:40 PM

[up] I've already done them.

"It's requested that your death ends here, now!" - Sayaka, Death end re;Quest Code Z.
WiryAiluropodine Since: Sep, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#13605: Jul 17th 2024 at 9:50:42 PM

So... I recently found this added on the Deviant Art page under Memetic Mutation;

  • Deviantart Autism is a term referring to bizzare content uploaded by users which usually, but not limited to, contains crossovers of characters that people wouldn't usually cross together. The pieces containing the crossovers are usually very bad, often just being character renders taken off google images and then collaged together in an editing program such as Microsoft Paint or Photoshop. Some pieces, dubbed "reaction memes" involve plastering two screenshots next to each other. Such users are also infamous for not taking criticism very well and often will have full blown tantrums that may even esculate to using death threats/death wishes or making a character dislike the one who critiqued them in a reaction meme. Not to mention such users also behave incredibly childish with little to no social etiquette or self awareness despite them being between 20-40 years old. The content created by these individuals have become popular outside of deviantart on sites such as X/Twitter for just how bad and absurd they are. The name originates from their behaviour likely stemming from a result of being on the autism spectrum

While the basis behind this edit, in all honesty, isn't exactly untrue (I've seen more examples of the things listed here than I can count searching through DeviantArt), this edit feels overly negative. Granted, I'm on the spectrum myself, so this could just be me taking certain parts of the edit personally (that or just how the edit is written, if you're willing to be fair and assume that the editor is just paraphrasing what they've observed others saying).

Anyone have a second opinion?

Edited by WiryAiluropodine on Jul 18th 2024 at 2:55:29 AM

SpongeBat1 We stan Clippy in this house from Quittersville, Failuretown, and Loserburg (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: It's a god-awful small affair
We stan Clippy in this house
#13606: Jul 17th 2024 at 10:21:15 PM

[up]I can confirm that this is unfortunately a very real phenomenon but there's probably a less complainy (and less ableist) way to describe it.

Came for the tropes, stayed for the cleanup.
fireheart (Don’t ask)
#13607: Jul 17th 2024 at 11:54:50 PM

[up][up] while I can't verify the accuracy of that phenomenon or not (more due to lack of familiarity with deviantart) there is definitely a far more neutral way (and less ableist/ageist) way to write that.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#13608: Jul 18th 2024 at 5:44:53 AM

I found this on ArcFatigue.Live Action TV:

This reads more like complaining about the character then the arc itself. Like I am unsure rather to rewrite or cut it. Is it just me?

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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#13609: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:22:45 AM

[up][up][up][up] Sponge is right, that is a real phenomenon and I've seen it myself. Rewording it sounds good, and we should probably also confirm if "DeviantArt Autism" is the real name of the phenomenon or not.

Question: if it is, would it be worth noting that we don't condone the term, or is that lurching into And That's Terrible turf?

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Bubblepig Rei from Tokyo (Apprentice) Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#13610: Jul 18th 2024 at 2:33:46 PM

I found this example Characters.X Men Film Series Brotherhood where the example is appears to be Natter or bashing. Here's an example:

I'm sorry but why would someone make up a quote like that? What to do with this example?

"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"
CanuckMcDuck1 PEPSIMAN from Japan Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
PEPSIMAN
#13611: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:25:47 PM

[up][up][up]The entry reads as needless complaining. It could be condensed into just talking about how Crystal’s arc takes up time, or even moving her into a Base-Breaking Character reaction.

[up][up]TV Tropes has pages for stuff far more heinous and bigoted than a misguided meme like "Deviantart Autism", so I think the entry can speak for itself. It could also use a better name, or just not have a name.

[up]It’s fine to make up a quote in a trope. It’s a common thing to condense info in reviews and less analytical stuff. The entry though could be cut or elaborated, since it doesn’t explain why Magneto defected.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Jul 18th 2024 at 8:30:20 AM

Do not mess with creatures which you do not understand.
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#13612: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:31:51 PM

[up] If “Devianart Autism” is a term people came up with on DeviantArt, we can probably still document it without endorsing it or agreeing with it.

[down][down] What I said would be true if the term were commonly used, but if it isn’t, maybe it doesn’t need to be mentioned.

Edited by Lymantria on Jul 18th 2024 at 12:43:01 PM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#13613: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:33:46 PM

[up][up] I would just move it to Base-Breaking Character, but it hasn't been 6 months since the show aired.

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CanuckMcDuck1 PEPSIMAN from Japan Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
PEPSIMAN
#13614: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:37:31 PM

[up][up]The thing is, doing some research, the name isn’t commonly used. The most I got was a joke Reddit post calling the type "Deviantart Kid". The term also seems like it’s more an inside joke from some area of the internet like 4chan than well known.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Jul 18th 2024 at 8:37:44 AM

Do not mess with creatures which you do not understand.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#13615: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:56:11 PM

It’s fine to make up a quote in a trope. It’s a common thing to condense info in reviews and less analytical stuff.

Um, who told you that?

Like seriously because I've never sen that as a guideline or a how to write tropes or anything like that.

Quotes (as in, quotation marks) mean something. Just because a page isn't analytical doesn't mean it's ok to make up quotes. If you're going to paraphrase or otherwise alter the text of somehow, that needs to be noted in some way. Especially for people who may not be fully familiar with a work, putting lines in quotations that are not quotes is only going to confuse the issue.

CanuckMcDuck1 PEPSIMAN from Japan Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
PEPSIMAN
#13616: Jul 18th 2024 at 8:01:29 PM

[up]Well I thought usually on TV Tropes, quotes are represented in their column:

Person: Like this form.

I also assume no one would think it’s a genuine quote because it’s something the character would never say.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Jul 18th 2024 at 9:01:56 AM

Do not mess with creatures which you do not understand.
Vilui Since: May, 2009
#13617: Jul 18th 2024 at 8:17:54 PM

Not everyone knows that. Example write-ups should be written for a general audience, not only fans of the work.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#13618: Jul 18th 2024 at 8:19:54 PM

Exactly.

IF your description of a trope ends with "and then the protagonist says "X"", people unfamiliar with the work are just going to think the protagonist said X.

Especially if it's not on a work page but a trope page and the OP decided to be snarky about a show that they know all of the characters inside and out in and other people would just take at face value.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#13619: Jul 19th 2024 at 9:41:14 AM

I found this on The Merch:

  • After the success of the Frozen and Encanto merchandise in particular, Disney went all out with merch for their company centennial Milestone Celebration canon film Wish (2023), most of it featuring the Anna/Mirabel-esque heroine Asha and the tailor-made-for-plushies Cute Mute Star. Unfortunately, the film was a critical and Box-Office Bomb so it ended up having the opposite problem Frozen had as merchandise lingered on shelves for months afterward, compounding the failure.

Okay the line I highlighted. That is just complaining. Also, what does that have to do with the trope? Which is just merch exists? Thoughts? Is it just me.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 19th 2024 at 11:41:41 AM

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We stan Clippy in this house
#13620: Jul 19th 2024 at 10:14:49 AM

[up]Nuke it, merch's performance is irrelevant to its existence.

Came for the tropes, stayed for the cleanup.
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#13621: Jul 19th 2024 at 1:44:30 PM

This is from the description of Final Fantasy VII.

  • Few people completely grasp the plot during the first playthrough; even for a RPG, this game can get extremely complicated. This is not helped by the poor translation, whose errors range from horrific spelling/grammar errors ("This guy are sick") to outright misinformation ("Attack while the tail is up"). The PC version corrected almost all of these errors, but also sanitized the game by censoring the most major expletives and having Barret generally speak normal English rather than Ebonics.

I only focused on the Ebonics part (There is no "Ebonics" in the original Japanese and was added for the PS 1 release so no, this isnt "Censorship") but now I can see this whole chunk can be tossed entirely and nothing of value would be lost.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Riolugirl Just "Rio" is fine! from Planet Sparkles (spaaaarklleeees...) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: It's a god-awful small affair
Just "Rio" is fine!
#13622: Jul 19th 2024 at 1:46:34 PM

[up][up][up]9 times out of 10, a line that begins "Unfortunately" is just complaining.

"Hark! For your greatest fears manifest in yours truly!" (She/Her) (Current focus: Image Pickin')
myster32 Since: Mar, 2019
#13623: Jul 19th 2024 at 1:59:32 PM

I've seen this on CSM YMMV.

  • Ass Pull: In Part 1, Yoshida was clearly able to hold his own against Quanxi, and in turn Yoru was clearly made out to be stronger than Yoshida in chapter 148. However, when Yoru and Katana Man face Quanxi in chapter 162, she proceeds to effortlessly curb stomp both of them, before randomly deciding to let them go after she sees Denji's chopped-up head. Many have decried this as Fujimoto blatantly trying to get out of drawing a fight. While this wouldn't normally be a notable source of backlash, the fact that it interrupts the Internal Reveal of Asa finding out that Denji is Chainsaw Man, only for Quanxi to enter and exit without contributing anything to the story made many question what the point of her showing up even was.

I think the second part is just complaining about them not seeing more of Asa reaction to her learning about CSM identity.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#13624: Jul 19th 2024 at 2:27:40 PM

Okay removed that bit from the Wish entry.

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Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#13625: Jul 20th 2024 at 12:15:39 PM

From Trivia.Tempo:

  • What Could Have Been: Earlier prototypes of the first game gave a lot more points out, balanced enough to make the good ending achievable but still fairly difficult. Unfortunately, when they lowered the point value by the final release, they forgot to alter the ending requirements, meaning half of the endings are impossible to get without grinding for up to six hours.

This feels a bit like its complaining about the difficulty. Suggested rewrite:

  • What Could Have Been: Earlier prototypes of the first game gave a lot more points out, in a manner balanced enough to make the good ending achievable but still fairly difficult. The point value would be lowered in the final release, with the ending requirements not being altered, leading to some criticism that completing the game became too time-consuming and difficult.

Still too negative, or improved enough to swap?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jul 20th 2024 at 3:19:33 PM

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