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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#2151: Dec 14th 2019 at 10:57:05 PM

Should I cut this bit?:

The Bury Your Gays trope in media, including all its variants, is a homophobic cliché.

Whatever happened to Tropes Are Tools?

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MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2152: Dec 15th 2019 at 8:13:31 AM

Eh... there are some tropes that are just plain Double Standards and should be regarded negatively.

As for Atypical, I will not be able to help you there, because (as an Aspie) I HATE that show, and agree with every single criticism on those admittedly complain-y entries.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#2153: Dec 16th 2019 at 4:16:56 PM

How is this entry from Trivia.Destiny 2?

  • Dueling Works: With Warframe, another loot-heavy co-op shooter (particularly on the PC side of things). Shortly before the PC release, Warframe did a big promotional campaign for its new expansion, getting a lot of new and returning players to take a second look at that game instead of picking up Destiny 2 (which, after four years of updates, had a lot more content than Destiny 2 on launch, on top of being free to play). End result: Warframe siphoning off a good chunk of the Destiny 2's player-base. Extra Credits even did an episode about how Activision had ultimately ended up investing $500 million in marketing... for Warframe.
    • Cross genre with Monster Hunter: World. World's loot and progression mechanics especially the fact that they aren't tied to any sort of microtransaction has also drawn in its fair share of former Destiny 2 players. This is on top of the number of articles in the gaming press directly comparing them in terms of what Destiny 2 can learn from Monster Hunter: World.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 16th 2019 at 8:17:06 AM

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Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#2154: Dec 16th 2019 at 7:29:00 PM

[up] Delete everything but the first sentence since Trivia is not the place to hash out why a game sucks.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#2155: Dec 16th 2019 at 8:03:38 PM

Not to mention that Destiny 2 has become a better game way after this was written.

Although leaving everything but the first sentence would make it a ZCE, wouldn’t it?

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Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#2156: Dec 16th 2019 at 8:51:02 PM

[up] The work it is dueling against, proximity of release (Warframe was still in active expansion when Destiny 2 came out, in this case), and the parallels in which it is duelling against (e.g. gameplay genre, setting genre) are sufficient.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2157: Dec 17th 2019 at 5:53:07 PM

The Humans Are the Real Monsters subpages have a lot of complaining. Understandable given how ham-fisted the trope is, but I would still like someone to clean it up. Just as an example:

  • Chrono Cross doesn't beat around the bush about it. Ever. Particularly blatant when the planet brings a nature-based empire from a universe where the dinosaurs didn't go extinct.
    • At least in this case the problem didn't seem to be blamed on humanity being evil, but that humans were heavily influenced and manipulated by Lavos, who uplifted mankind to the top of the ecosystem for its own purposes: to eat it.
    • They are also called out by the Dwarves who kill the faeries because humans accidentally poisoned their home. Clearly accidentally poisoning someone's living place is worse than actual genocide. Really the only people who has any right to call out humanity are the demihumans of Marbule as they never tried to kill anyone else.
      • This gets especially jarring when the human heroes are misblamed by the fairies they just saved from the genocidal dwarves. Dwarves blaming humanity for their need to wipe out the fairies to settle on a pretty large island is already Insane Troll Logic (especially if you consider that their Green Aesop is completely broken by the fact that they use smoking Steampunk tanks). The fairies pulling the Humans Are The Real Monsters card in front of their saviors, completely blaming the dwarven invasion on them instead of, you know, the dwarves however is completely mind-boggling.
      • In Chrono Trigger every race got a chance to be a bastard, with the Reptites and Mystics waging wars in different time periods with the intent to wipe out humanity for ill-defined reasons. Even if humanity committed atrocities in the backstory that's a little extreme. The nature-based empire from Cross was the evolved form of the Reptites from Trigger which, to exist, likely killed off all the humans in their own timeline where Lavos never landed. Of course, it's humans that defeat Lavos and Save the World in the end (albeit with help from non-human allies.)

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#2158: Dec 17th 2019 at 7:00:46 PM

[up] "But I would still like someone to clean it up".

...

Mate, you realize you could also clean it up, yes? We can help you, but stop expecting others to do this sort of work for you.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#2159: Dec 18th 2019 at 12:34:07 AM

From Faux Action Girl:

  • My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
    • Gender-Inverted with Shining Armor. He's a powerful Barrier Warrior and talented enough of a fighter and leader to be the captain of the royal guard, but during the three major threats he plays a part in he's brainwashed into helping Queen Chrysalis, placed under a curse that seals his magic by King Sombra, and left drained by Tirek respectively. This continues well into the remainder of the series, with him either being completely absent from encounters period or going down like a complete Jobber, needing to rely on his wife to be able to do anything of note, immediately surrendering to the resurrected King Sombra, his crying at the drop of a hat, and being outright absent from the Series Finale since his sister told him he'd better sit it out. The one time he does an okay job is in Sparkle's Seven where he puts together a fairly competent plan to defend Canterlot from intruders, but even then he and his men fall for obvious distractions, make several glaring mistakes (such as one that helps the villains out in the finale), and it's not even an action role in the first place.
    • Played straight with Spitfire and her team the Wonderbolts. Every time they get a chance to fight, they get easily crushed by the Arc Villain without even laying a scratch on them despite essentially being Equestria's military. Rainbow Dash inexplicably hero worships them and wishes to join, even though most of her encounters with them end with her having to do their jobs for them and/or rescue them from their own incompetence.

This is part complainy concerns (mainly because I feel like this trope has the capacity to be used to complain about weakly-written Action Girls.) and part misuse, because there is no way that Shining Armor belongs on Faux Action Girl as an inverted example.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 18th 2019 at 4:52:12 PM

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MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2160: Dec 18th 2019 at 2:44:11 PM

[up][up]Sorry. It is just that I am unfamiliar with many of the works.

Edited by MasterN on Dec 18th 2019 at 2:46:24 AM

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#2161: Dec 21st 2019 at 6:27:22 AM

I highly recommend keeping a watchful eye over Narm.Star Wars since The Rise of Skywalker came out yesterday. I removed one Not an Example that said the film 'blatantly ripped off' Avengers: Endgame even though that would be physically impossible, as the two films released within months of each other.

I personally have a problem with how that page uses a lot of Narm examples from the trailers for the more modern Star Wars movies, as it's extremely unfair. Very few people in their 20's would have seen the trailer for The Empire Strikes Back or any of the older SW films, but most fans have seen the trailers for the post-2015 entries.

Edited by EarthboundFan on Dec 21st 2019 at 6:36:52 AM

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#2162: Dec 21st 2019 at 7:18:42 AM

[up]Narm has always been use as a complaint magnet.

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#2163: Dec 21st 2019 at 7:23:15 AM

So much so that I'm 80% sure we have a cleanup thread for it.

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#2164: Dec 21st 2019 at 7:47:17 AM

[up] Here you go.

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#2165: Dec 21st 2019 at 7:58:32 AM

[up][up] Yeah, I knew, but we should probably have someone pin that page, just for extra measure.

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#2166: Dec 21st 2019 at 7:59:04 AM

[up][up] Yeah, I knew, but we should probably have someone pin that page, just for extra measure. I pinned it myself, but one person might not be good enough.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2167: Dec 22nd 2019 at 10:47:14 AM

I might despise the sequel trilogy, but that example needs to go. Total misuse. One film ripping off another has nothing to do with attempted and failed drama.

So, I found this on the Very Punchable Man page (bold emphasis mine):

"I've always wanted to uppercut a punkass. And send him flying onto a table, preferably with a cake or a bowl of punch on it."
Dane Cook, being clueless about the common perception of himself.

Complaining or not? I think it is.

Edited by MasterN on Dec 22nd 2019 at 10:47:47 AM

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#2168: Dec 22nd 2019 at 1:45:20 PM

[up] Yeah, that's a jab directed at the individual. I say cut that part out.

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#2169: Dec 22nd 2019 at 1:47:14 PM

The edit that added that line.

I cut it as complaining.

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#2170: Dec 22nd 2019 at 1:59:35 PM

Would it be worth sending a notifier to the editor?

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#2171: Dec 24th 2019 at 3:07:40 PM

YMMV.Kirby Squeak Squad

I feel like this was shoehorned in somehow. Wasn’t Sequelitis for when a series gets worse with each passing title?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 24th 2019 at 7:08:44 AM

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#2172: Dec 24th 2019 at 4:01:08 PM

[up] If the game after it is well-received, that's definitely shoehorned.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#2173: Dec 24th 2019 at 5:23:34 PM

This entry in FranchiseOriginalSin.Sonic The Hedgehog is pure complaining

  • Sonic Colors is easily one of the most polarizing games in the series for its music, content, and especially storyline, but most will agree that most of the boss fights are too easy. This was a problem in Sonic Adventure, but only with the character battles, of which there are only three (Sonic vs. Knuckles, Tails vs. Knuckles, and Sonic vs. Gamma). That flaw in turn technically had its origins in Sonic & Knuckles with its sole character battle.

The bosses being too easy doesn't seem like that strong of a connection, especially between games released twelve years apart and with few gameplay similarities. Also it seems to have unrelated complaints about the game.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Dec 24th 2019 at 10:19:56 AM

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#2174: Dec 24th 2019 at 7:29:39 PM

[up][up][up]It is true that Squeak Squad is thought of as one of the weaker Kirby games, but as previously mentioned, Sequelitis isn't the right term for this. Later mainline Kirby games (such as Return to Dream Land) are quite popular.

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ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#2175: Dec 24th 2019 at 10:12:40 PM

[up][up] That example is just pure complaining because the boss fights being easy isn't a strong connection to the previous games and it doesn't even make a connection to the other flaws of Colors that were listed. Cut.


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