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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

Sugarp1e1 Yamata Noroi, Queen of the Snakes from The Serpent Palace Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Yamata Noroi, Queen of the Snakes
#1976: Oct 29th 2019 at 7:03:44 AM

Recently, some edits were made by a single user for multiple pages on Infinity Trian (links at the bottom). However, I’m questioning the validity of their edits, and I’m not entirely sure where I would need to go to ask about it.

That being said, the Fan Dumb and Adaptation Decay / Jump the Shark / They Changed It, Now It Sucks! entries in the main page are especially rubbing me the wrong way. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.InfinityTrain https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.InfinityTrain https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Trivia.InfinityTrain https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WMG.InfinityTrain

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#1977: Oct 29th 2019 at 7:13:46 AM

[up]the Fan Dumb and Adaptation Decay / Jump the Shark / They Changed It, Now It Sucks! Should be removed from main entries since they are either YMMV, flamebait or in universe only.

Also, WMG dont get edit by other users i think. Also, many of their entries do look complaining.

Edited by WhirlRX on Oct 29th 2019 at 10:16:36 AM

Sugarp1e1 Yamata Noroi, Queen of the Snakes from The Serpent Palace Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Yamata Noroi, Queen of the Snakes
#1978: Oct 29th 2019 at 2:51:40 PM

[up]One of the mods undid the edits to the work page, so there’s that.

But what about the rest of the edits the troper made?

Edited by Sugarp1e1 on Oct 30th 2019 at 9:42:59 AM

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#1979: Oct 31st 2019 at 5:18:34 PM

Does Fanfic.Friendship Is Failure really need to have separate pages for both The Scrappy and Unintentionally Unsympathetic? Those pages mostly share the same characters that people hate, making it redundant.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 31st 2019 at 9:18:50 AM

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1980: Nov 2nd 2019 at 1:30:00 PM

[up]Scrappy is for characters hated by fans of the work. I argued it should be cut as it looks like it was added by those who hate the work, but Scrappy cleanup said to keep last I asked. Ask them again?

AnoBakaDesu Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
#1981: Nov 2nd 2019 at 1:42:30 PM

I've come to question the validity of another troper's edit on a Narm entry on YMMV.Azur Lane:

  • Narm: Sometimes the fanservice gets awkward and distracting rather than arousing. Tennessee comes to mind, where she's trying to look tough but the effect is ruined by a prominent pantyshot. Some would even say that some loading screens are not just Narmy, but borderline scrappy, due to the amount of fanservice they showcase, with two of the biggest offenders being the Onsen loading screen featuring copious amount of nudity with the Censor Steam barely doing anything, and the 4th of July "Washington Crossing the Delaware" screen. As of Halloween 2019, one of the Halloween-themed loading screens, featuring succubi versions of most of the big-breasted characters received a similar reception.

The emboldened text was added right after I deleted a Broken Base entry decrying the same issue for Halloween 2019.

To me, this seems like a gross misuse of Narm and a way to weasel in some of the Vocal Minority's viewpoints.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#1982: Nov 2nd 2019 at 2:07:42 PM

[up] That looks like complaining. "Borderline Scrappy" is not a thing, either. I say delete it, though it's hard to evaluate examples of audience reactions when you're not familiar with the work.

I'll only add that striperiffic outfits and blatant fanservice can probably be narmy at times.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1983: Nov 2nd 2019 at 3:30:57 PM

BrokenAesop.Live Action TV * The infamous "Ice Cream Sexuality" animation from ''Series/BillNyeSavesTheWorld''. It ''tries'' to conclude with a "It's okay to not be straight don't be such a prude" message, but instead portrays [[UnfortunateImplications far worst messages]] like "If you're LGBT you're a depraved ExtremeOmnisexual who engages in massive orgies," "Straight people are just LGBT people waiting to be converted," and "It's okay to sexually harass a HeteronormativeCrusader to try and change their mind."

I intend to cut because it doesn’t explain how the moral is contradicted by its internal logic. Aesops coming off as something different than intended isn’t this. Plus uncited Unfortunate Implication entry. Objections?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1984: Nov 2nd 2019 at 3:46:04 PM

[up] We actually have an Aesop cleanup thread, so that example can be discussed there.

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#1985: Nov 2nd 2019 at 6:13:37 PM

Anyway, The Beautiful Skies of Houou High is pretty bashy toward the author and story, and while it's not without reason, it's still...ehh...

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 2nd 2019 at 9:14:13 AM

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AnoBakaDesu Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
#1986: Nov 2nd 2019 at 8:38:19 PM

Another troper changed the indentation into a subbullet:

  • Narm: Sometimes the fanservice gets awkward and distracting rather than arousing. Tennessee comes to mind, where she's trying to look tough but the effect is ruined by a prominent pantyshot. Some would even say that some loading screens are not just Narmy, but borderline scrappy, due to the amount of fanservice they showcase, with two of the biggest offenders being the Onsen loading screen featuring copious amount of nudity with the Censor Steam barely doing anything, and the 4th of July "Washington Crossing the Delaware" screen.
    • As of Halloween 2019, one of the Halloween-themed loading screens, featuring succubi versions of most of the big-breasted characters received a similar reception. The reception was so bad that they actually removed it in a hotfix, stating that it "had brought inconvenience to commanders when the game was played in public".

This has gone straight to trying to weasel an Internet Backdraft complaint.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#1987: Nov 2nd 2019 at 9:36:23 PM

This seems like another case of people thinking Narm means "it's stupid." Which it doesn't.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#1988: Nov 2nd 2019 at 10:01:51 PM

Narm is for something serious that comes off as silly. It doesn't matter how the example text is indented; it's Not an Example.

Edited by HighCrate on Nov 2nd 2019 at 10:02:29 AM

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#1989: Nov 3rd 2019 at 9:00:50 AM

I noticed a subtle bit of complaining in this Simpsons example here:

  • Series Continuity Error: Milhouse really had no reason to gloat about having Krusty over at his party — Bart already had Krusty over for dinner at his place in "Like Father, Like Clown" (and Milhouse was at the Simpson house with Krusty, so that's really bad that the writers would make Milhouse out as a braggart).

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 3rd 2019 at 1:01:15 PM

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#1991: Nov 3rd 2019 at 9:07:15 AM

Considering that The Simpsons largely runs off of Negative Continuity (with the occasional Continuity Nod), that seems like clear shoehorning to me.

Playing_with_boy Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1992: Nov 3rd 2019 at 7:33:55 PM

And right on time, here is some complaining about Californication:

  • Loudness War: The Californication album's shitty mastering got even non-audiophile consumers to complain.
    • Even the ballad "Scar Tissue" was downright deafening.
    • What makes the case of this album particularly egregious is that even the vinyl mix was ruined - apparently, it was run through a digital dynamic range processor before being mastered for vinyl, which is usually mixed from analogue sources. The CDs of future RHCP albums were also brickwalled, but the vinyl mix of at least Stadium Arcadium was made from a pristine analogue mix by audiophile favourite Steve Hoffman that basically cancelled out all the CD version's flaws. With Californication, listeners don't have that option with any of the commercially available versions, so the whole thing is basically ruined. The mastering however is still better on vinyl than on CD, due to the fact that the CD version was given additional compression compared to the vinyl version.
      • There is, however, an unmastered version making the rounds on the Internets of an earlier version of the album that does not have the clipping problems, although includes a few alternate versions and some outtakes too. This is one of those cases where the album can basically only be truly appreciated through piracy.
    • It's worth noting that One Hot Minute was pretty loud too, especially for its day. Not Californication levels of awful though.

This is scar tissue/a purple stain on the Red Hot Chili Pepper's trope page. I mean, around the world, in any language, it's complaining. The troper writing this must have want to get on top of hyperbole and ranting about the suckiness of the album's sucky audio distortion. Even in a parallel universe/an otherside where complaining was a-ok, this would still easily be cut because of the natter. But, I think that this example has dreams of Californication being a good example. With this velvet glove our hard work, we could turn this dirt which I like, this porcelain toilet, and make this a savior of examples in one hot minute. And I will go road trippin' to find more complain' in regards to the RHCP, and maybe even emit Remmus a remix sans the bad parts.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#1993: Nov 5th 2019 at 9:12:12 PM

[up]If there's anything worth salvaging, the Thread Mode definitely isn't worth keeping.

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#1994: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:59:49 AM

Maury contains a lot of mocking against real people.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#1995: Nov 7th 2019 at 5:51:49 PM

So, quick question about Trivia.Neon Genesis Evangelion regarding the entry on The Other Darrin:

  • None of the English actors of the TV series and films reprised their roles. The series was re-recorded in Los Angeles rather than in Houston. Even then, when the first two films had LA-based voice actors in addition to those who lived in Houston at the time, none did return, not even Spike Spencer, Amanda Winn-Lee or Tiffany Grant. Many a fan weren't happy about this.

Does the last part sound like complaining and if so, should it be removed or rewritten?

Edited by gjjones on Nov 7th 2019 at 8:56:18 AM

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#1997: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:02:50 PM

[up]Will do.

Edited by gjjones on Nov 7th 2019 at 9:04:32 AM

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1998: Nov 8th 2019 at 3:20:07 PM

YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 9 E 25 The Ending Of The End Part 2

  • Why Would Anyone Take Him Back?: A platonic one, in this case. Despite Rainbow Dash calling it a pretty epic make-up, any fans feel that Discord roasting Tirek and making him accidentally release Starlight doesn't make up for him trying to boost Twilight's confidence by bringing together the Mane Six's worst villains and putting Equestria in danger.

Are platonic examples even allowed for this trope? This seems like an attempt to add Unintentionally Unsympathetic which was decided against here. Should it explain why they find it insufficient?

Stage7-4 Since: Nov, 2014
#1999: Nov 8th 2019 at 4:13:24 PM

Considering that Fluttershy and Discord are implied to be not quite so platonic in the finale, the entry could be valid if that's the only reason against it.

Whether it's invalid for other reasons though (like trying to sneak another trope in under a different label) I'd say is open to discussion.

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#2000: Nov 10th 2019 at 9:14:20 AM

From YMMV.Thunder Cats Roar:

Overly negative? Check. Sinkhole car crash? Check. Assuming things about a show that only has one released trailer? Check. Mix in a stupid checklist format, and you've got a very bad example. Permission to zap?

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