Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

I always had the impression there was a systematic cleanup of using quote pages for complaining (particularly complaining on tropes that are supposed to be IUEO) after johnnyfog got banned. If there wasn't, then there really needs to be, because the guy was prolific and I don't think he's the only one to have ever done it.

Unfortunately, his editing was so prolific that systematically reverting every page he touched is impractical.

BrokenAesop.Western Animation

• "The Ending of the End" has series-long theme of redemption and second chances completely shattered with the final three villains (one of whom was a literal child whose mind was still developing) being subjected to a horrifically cruel Fate Worse than Death.

I intend to cut as 1. "redemption and second chances" was for those willing to accept them, those villains did not 2. that's not the Aesop of the episode 3. the troper who added it has gotten into an edit war relating to this here. Objections?

I find this Squick example on YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic questionable:

• While he didn't get to that point and it went into Queer People Are Funny instead, the anvilly Call-Back to Spooning With Spoony in "The Strangest and Best Couples" has an unsettling "victims become the abusers" intention.

Sounds more Fridge Horror-ish, I'll delete.

NeverLiveItDown.Video Games has a lot of complainy sections, most notably a huuuuuuge entry for Fallout 76.

Admittedly that game was super controversial and keeps on finding new ways to disappoint (like the recent $100 subscription fee). It's a trauma conga line at this point.

It's the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise entry that seems excessive to me, by far the longest entry on the page.

Three questions:

1. Does Never Live It Down have a minimum time requirement like tropes such as Overshadowed by Controversy do?
2. If so, does Fallout 76 fall before or after it?
3. I thought Never Live It Down had become In-Universe Examples Only. Though I don't see it in the page itself.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 24th 2019 at 12:17:44 PM

If it's IUEO, then this TLP draft is pretty pointless.

No Recent Examples, Please! only mentions time limits for Sports and Real Life, but it doesn't say anything for other media. I wonder if things like a video game's reception would fall under real life, since the description of Never Live It Down seems to be more focused on characters doing something that they're going to be reminded of for a long time.

I don't see why it wouldn't count. You can't say something have lived X down when they've barely had time to live X down

maybe that's the result of the IUEO discussions I remember seeing.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 24th 2019 at 12:33:38 PM

...I mean, I would like to have Never Live It Down have a time restriction to prevent shoehorning and Speculative Troping... but I'd honestly rather just make it IUEO and NRLEP.

The fact that Real Life and Sports are the only parts of Never Live It Down with a waiting period makes me think that the other sections are meant to be in-universe examples only. Granted, I haven't been following Never Live It Down super closely, so I may be mistaken.

Never Live It Down was brought to the Real Life cleanup thread last year or so, and it was decided to keep real life examples because of the 25-year time limit.

But yeah, No Recent Examples, Please! doesn't apply to Never Live It Down examples from works.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 25th 2019 at 2:24:22 PM

You are mistaken. It's not IUEO.

Fallout 76 is a year old at this point, so isn't it past the time delay for both Never Live It Down and Overshadowed By Controversy? I thought those were only 6 month waiting periods.

The recent flare up is because new controversy arose on top of it's disastrous launch (the paid subscription), so do you treat that as another symptom in a history of problems or as it's own separate addition (and therefore too recent to add)?

Edited by Stage7-4 on Oct 25th 2019 at 12:21:46 PM

I'm not that familiar with the Fallout series, but I do know that Fallout 76 had a dedicated Internet Backdraft page before that was made Flame Bait.

Are these actual memes or just stealth complaining? From Memes.Pokemon:

• DID SOMEONE SAY KANTO! ^Explanation After a trailer was released showing off 5 Gigantamax versions of Red & Blue Pokémon, many have begun to notice GameFreak's constant pandering towards Generation I over other Generations, leading to a large amount of mocking online.
  • Game Freak's Charizard obsession ^Explanation While it wasn't the only marketing giant given a Gigantamax form, fans called it out for getting one on top of the two Mega Evolutions it had received.
  • Put Charizard in everything ^Explanation Eventually people started making color edits of Charizard to resemble other Pokemon, and even inserting it into other franchises.
• NANDO VS PLOT ^explanation Despite being a strong Trainer, Nando lost to both Zoey and Ash because of the latter two's Plot Armor, something the chat picked up on.

The Charizard examples are memes. I don't know about the others.

"Did Someone Say Kanto" looks like complaining to me.

Yeah, people have definitely noticed the attention Charizard gets from Game Freak.

I do agree that the bullet currently acting as a header for the Charizard memes looks like complaining, though. Personally, I see references to Kanto as akin to how other Nintendo-published series (Super Mario Bros., The Legend of Zelda, and Kirby come to mind) frequently reference their own first installments.^note I'm aware that Donkey Kong is where Mario actually started, but Nintendo seems to count Super Mario Bros. first when keeping track of anniversaries. It's where those series started; I'm sure even the company has nostalgia for it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 27th 2019 at 10:54:40 AM

While the "Did somebody say Kanto?" does look like complaining, the ones involving Charizard should be kept since the fandom frequently jokes over how much attention Charizard gets. Editing Charizard to resemble other Pokemon is also something I've seen frequently.

Okay, I can guarantee there are a lot of fans out there sick of Kanto references (me included), but I'm not sure that qualifies as a meme rather than "a complaint that gets brought up a lot". I could go on all day about why I personally think Kanto-shoehorns are bad, but I'd just be whining, not "memeing", so I agree with removing it.

I second that the Kanto one is complaining (and it ignores that other regions are getting some love, like Zigzagoon for Hoenn).

Charizard however does seem like a meme now, as I've seen mutations of it (like drawing the new starters final evolutions as Charizard clones).

Guardians of the Galaxy – Mission: BREAKOUT! has a lot of entries that are just "People Mad because it replaced Tower of Terror". Several are for in-fandom- only tropes, I believe. How many of them should be jettisoned for shoehorning/misuse?