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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#1851: Sep 6th 2019 at 4:26:31 PM

From YMMV.Marvel Rising Secret Warriors:

I cut some complaining from the entry already. Is the parenthetical part still too complain-y? Should I cut or reword it?

Edited by Twiddler on Sep 6th 2019 at 4:27:35 AM

emeriin Since: Jan, 2001
#1852: Sep 6th 2019 at 4:35:24 PM

The America Chavez page is basically all complaining too.

PrincessPandaTrope #BoomSilverTheVampire4Lyfe from Up and Down and All Around Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: In love with love
#BoomSilverTheVampire4Lyfe
#1853: Sep 7th 2019 at 10:17:54 AM

I've noticed some tropes like Role-Ending Misdemeanor, Un-person, and the Averted examples of No Such Thing as Bad Publicity are used to harshly condemn and give heavy slaps to notable figures and their falls from grace as if they were Lucifer falling from heaven. I had to cut a part from the Sam Pepper example in RoleEndingMisdemeanor.Web Original, which was yelling about him being rejected from society.

I would advise that such examples would be written like "Alice did something bad and she was fired", instead of "Alice had all her reputation destroyed when she made an idiotic mistake." No need to be dramatic.

Had to get this off my chest.

2021 EDIT: I really regret this post and I would really like to apologize for it. I was going through emotional turmoil back then, and I never meant to defend such horrible people.

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Mar 9th 2021 at 7:02:18 AM

Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe for Work content. Same for my edit history.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#1854: Sep 7th 2019 at 8:44:33 PM

[up]No Such Thing as Bad Publicity shouldn't have aversions listed. Aversions are restricted to Omnipresent Tropes, and since No Such Thing as Bad Publicity is an Audience Reaction, it's actually Not a Trope, let alone an omnipresent one.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 7th 2019 at 10:46:17 AM

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#1855: Sep 8th 2019 at 6:31:21 AM

The complaining memes got added back to Memes.Pokemon.

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#1856: Sep 8th 2019 at 6:59:13 AM

Reverted and notifier sent.

Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#1857: Sep 11th 2019 at 3:43:45 PM

Is this the place to bring up gushing? Transformers: War for Cybertron feels rather opinionated in its description, I would like it if someone who knew it could rewrite it in places.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#1859: Sep 12th 2019 at 4:41:39 AM

I didn't know where to put this, and I'm only really making this to holler a mod for it, but Cali 11298 has been changing definitions based on a homophobic Christian Agenda, and they need changing back. I've done one, but I'd rather have a mod use their revert tool on it than have to do it manually.

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#1860: Sep 12th 2019 at 9:24:48 AM

I'll suspend them.

Update: Looks like they were already banned, last edit being months ago. Mod reverts will also undo legit edits done after.

Edited by Berrenta on Sep 12th 2019 at 11:29:21 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#1861: Sep 12th 2019 at 9:29:02 AM

You want Tropers.calli11298

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 12th 2019 at 10:29:13 AM

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#1862: Sep 12th 2019 at 9:30:01 AM

Yeah, saw the ATT. Another mod took care of the user.

Permission granted to revert the damage.

Edited by Berrenta on Sep 12th 2019 at 11:30:58 AM

OldLadyNightMan Since: May, 2018 Relationship Status: Hiding
#1863: Sep 12th 2019 at 3:44:08 PM

A month back, I deleted a couple bits about Tom Rothman on Creator Killer for being nothing but Creator Bashing. Recently, this was added to CreatorKiller.Film Studios And Production Companies.

This is also a ZCE. Should I just chainsaw it?

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#1865: Sep 12th 2019 at 4:33:25 PM

Yakuza: Like a Dragon's YMMV page is already filled entirely by one disastrous entry (featuring ALL-CAPS BOLD SCREAMING, an unnecessary sinkhole to Persona 5, a natter sub-bullet point, and worst of all being essentially a Broken Base entry shoehorned into They Changed It, Now It Sucks! in order to evade the 6 month buffer):

  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: JESUS. CHRIST. The decision to go from Beat 'em Up to JRPG has not gone down smoothly with fans, both Western and Eastern. Some fans are willing to give it a shot and/or excited for the series to try something new, but then you have people infuriated that the series has been so drastically altered, calling for RGG Studios heads for ruining the series by turning it from the lone 3D Beat 'em Up brawler in the gaming into a cheap Persona 5 clone. The statement that should the RPG mechanics not be received well, they would revert back to the series traditional gameplay for future titles has led many to declare that they will boycott the game in hopes that it will flop.
    • Those defending the change have said that the series has had increasing amounts of RPG and life sie elements for quite some time already and aren't surprised, while others that preferred the Beat 'em Up style aren't as convinced.

Edited by Albert3105 on Sep 12th 2019 at 7:39:27 AM

ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#1866: Sep 12th 2019 at 8:28:05 PM

[up] That example should be cut down to make it less complain-y, and it looks like an attempt to circumvent the 6-month waiting period of Broken Base.

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#1867: Sep 13th 2019 at 7:51:27 AM

[up] Trimmed it down to one sentence and removed the Broken Base shoehorning.

Edited by Albert3105 on Sep 13th 2019 at 10:51:47 AM

LadyErinNY Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1868: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:15:18 PM

YMMV.Ducktales 2017 They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:

  • While making Magica an Abusive Parent to whom Lena is a reluctant but helpless slave doubles down on Magica's newfound darkness, many commented that it would have been way more narratively interesting if Lena had been so brought up as to legitimately want to help her aunt's evil endeavor, making her dilemma of whether to help Magica or save Webby be more about an actual, personal dilemma of who she wants to be, than a mere, less morally-complex choice of evils. Then we learn that she's Magica's Living Shadow...
  • Quite a number of characters have missing/dead family members, but aside from the Della Duck arc, none of the other missing/dead family members are being addressed, including but not limited to Webby's parents (her mother being Beakley's daughter), the triplets' father, Fenton's father, Donald's parents, and Scrooge's sisters. So far, no word on any of their whereabouts or whether they are even still alive. In Lena's case, she doesn't have parents, she's Magica's Living Shadow.
  • All of the characters (with the exception of Webby and the boys) just gloss over the fact that Lena is a Living Shadow and is apparently destroyed by Magica. But Beakley and Scrooge not even acknowledging Lena is pretty egregious. In "Terror of the Terra-firmians!", Beakley had expressed interest (and concern) for Lena's family status, not to mention being wary about Lena possibly being a bad influence to Webby - but she is never shown reacting to Lena's true nature, nor does she even mourn her loss. Scrooge promised Lena a place in his family once Magica was dealt with, but he doesn't even mourn Lena's (apparent) death and (seemingly) forgets all about his promise to rescue her.
  • Lena being revealed as nothing more than a Living Shadow has drawn the ire of some fans who were hoping that she turned out to be the daughter of Magica's brother, Poe De Spell. On that note, Magica mentions that her family is "nothing but trouble", but given that she doesn't even consider Lena family (or even a real person), the lack of any other De Spell relatives seems like a waste of what could've been a complex Foil to the Mc Duck-Duck family.
  • Season 2 spends a couple episodes building up a quite interesting rift between Della and Louie, with Della truly stepping up as a parent to curb his increasing greed and ruthlessness, while Louie still holds a grudge over Della's own recklessness leaving them apart for so long. Then it's all swept under the rug as Louie learns his lesson thanks to a Space Whale Aesop that a monster will come after you if you get too rich.
I feel like all of these entries are just complaining. The last one I'm almost positive is complaining.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#1869: Sep 13th 2019 at 5:28:33 PM

On this note I've noticed a bit of complaining centered around Della in particular, largely because of her punishment of Louie. I removed a couple of edits claiming that a trip the McDuck gang makes without Louie to a place Louie would love was deliberately done by Della to screw with him when nothing in-episode indicates anything of the sort.

    A few examples: 
From YMMV.Duck Tales 2017 S 2 E 22 Glom Tales

  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Della comes across as this with how far she goes in enforcing her grounding of Louie. She's perfectly justified in disciplining Louie but some of her actions come across as excessive, basically rubbing it in Louie's face how the family is on Louie's dream adventure and that he can't enjoy it in the slightest. She sets up recordings that lecture Louie about his scheming but they're worded in a manner that give him grief over scheming in general rather than over the objective mistakes that led to his grounding. Louie quite pointedly only gives real thought to his misdeeds when the recordings cut through the lectures and outright state why his behavior is considered bad. It doesn't help that her measures essentially trapped Louie in the manor when all of Scrooge's enemies attacked.

NightmareFuel.Duck Tales 2017 Season 2, regarding the same episode

  • Still being a new parent, Della's methods of grounding are unintentionally sadistic. She has Gyro reprogram the DT-87 (which has a history of turning evil) to fire lasers at any attempts to escape as well as cast laser cages over the exits, records lectures about ethics and, to top it all off, when family members call Louie to tell him how much he'd love where they are before she stops Huey from describing the scent of the Cherry Pep river because "He hasn't earned it". It is for his own good, but just maybe she went ever so slightly too far?

Before I edited it to the above the entry read as such:

  • Still being a new parent, Della's methods of grounding are unintentionally sadistic. She (possibly intentionally) plans a trip for the rest of the family that Louie would like just to leave him out, reprograms the DT-87 (which has a history of turning evil) to fire lasers at any attempts to escape as well as cast laser cages over the exits, records condescendingly cheery messages about ethics and to top it all off, she has the family call him and tell him how much he'd love where they are before she denies Huey from describing the scent of the Cherry Pep river because "He hasn't earned it". It is for his own good, but just maybe she went ever so slightly too far?

In Della's folder in Characters.Duck Tales 2017 Main Characters

  • Parental Favoritism: Unfortunately, she tends to unknowingly show some of this at times when she is back with her boys. When she goes to see Scrooge's money tree with Dewey, the latter repeatedly puts his and Della's lives in danger, ending in Dewey accidentally growing the money tree with all the seeds at once, destroying the only safe place for the end of the world in the process. All she does is comfort and hug him. In "Timephoon!", on the other hand, Louie hijacks a time-travelling bath to get treasure from the past (while clearly taking extra precautions to avoid causing a time paradox and erasing his family), seems horrified when he accidentally blinks his family into the past and makes it clear that he learned from his mistake. Della gets mad that everyone forgives him so fast, tells him off and then grounds him, going as far as to schedule a family trip to a place she knows he likes so he won't be able to go and sets a traitorous robot that can shoot lasers to stand guard.

I removed everything after "going as far as to" and the Disproportionate Retribution pothole.

There seems to be a trend, to me. From what I can tell they aren't the same person on a Single-Issue Wonk, either.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 13th 2019 at 6:30:05 AM

LadyErinNY Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1870: Sep 16th 2019 at 5:26:49 AM

So over in YMMV.Titans 2018, we defintly have some negativity and deleting positivity. But I still wanted to get a second opinion before editing. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FuzzboyProductions First they deleted And You Thought It Would Fail leaving this edit reason: "The series has had a VERY mixed reaction, with a lot of people claiming to despise it, so this is inaccurate." Here's the entry they deleted.

They also added two posts that were worded very, for lack of a better word, complainy.
  • Broken Base: The entire series. Everything about its tone, it's plot, it's characters, and more have been so widely debated that there is basically no common opinion among much of anyone about how good the show actually is.
  • The Scrappy: Starfire, with this version of her being commonly seen as the worst adaptation to ever hit television, for her rather bland acting, the horrible outfit, the mediocre at best special effects used for her powers, and a predictable and underdeveloped romance with Dick. Despite this, even this will be debated among a very small group of fans.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#1871: Sep 16th 2019 at 5:38:04 AM

Regarding The Scrappy, doesn't that last "even this is debated" sentence disqualify her?

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#1872: Sep 16th 2019 at 5:54:50 AM

[up][up]The first from what i read should be removed since You thought it would fair only pertains to original works and not adaptation. The Broken Base does not give a clear reason on why its BB. I also don't know if the 6 month wait was finished.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#1873: Sep 16th 2019 at 6:36:01 AM

A Broken Base between people what think the show is bad and people what think it's good is a contradiction in terms, since the former, by definition, aren't part of the show's fanbase.

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#1874: Sep 16th 2019 at 7:02:15 AM

Yeah, really. "This sucks" and "this is good" are certainly contradictory positions, but way too vague for Broken Base to apply. By definition, BB occurs between fans, not between fans and detractors, and serves to divide a fandom into warring camps. A better example would be the Final Fantasy VII fans who argue incessantly over "Aeris" vs. "Aerith".

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#1875: Sep 16th 2019 at 8:21:34 AM

[up] Though with Aeris/Aerith, there's a different trope for that.

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