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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, YKTTW or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

Edited by Berrenta on Dec 19th 2018 at 6:31:01 AM

VeryVileVillian Who did you expect? God? Devil? No, it's just me from Russia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Who did you expect? God? Devil? No, it's just me
Apr 20th 2019 at 6:22:08 AM

Found this under Bob Chipman (Guy, who does "Big Picture" and "Game Overthinker" videos on "Escapist" site):

Unintentionally Unsympathetic:

Bob's review of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 has him refer to it as the movie that "broke him." However, it rings a bit hollow since he did think the movie was better than the original which makes it hard to believe it was so bad to merit two videos about how the Amazing series is awful and everyone else is wrong about the third Raimi Spider-Man movie.

Even if some of the films are justifiably bad his rants against some of the DC Extended Universe films, Batman v. Superman in particular, just makes him come off as a broken record. Subsequently, some see Bob as having an anti-DCEU bias as he claimed that Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice would've been a bad movie even if Zack Snyder didn't direct it and once named Aquaman (2018) as one of his least anticipated movies of 2018 before a single trailer even came out.

Lurking in shadow, haunting every step, bringer of chaos: Nyarlathotep.
miraculous “Trust me. I'm a genius.” from south africa
“Trust me. I'm a genius.”
Apr 20th 2019 at 6:27:01 AM

[up]Cut it.

That trope is No Real Life Examples Please

“If I win, I'm a prodigy. If I lose, then I'm crazy. That's the way history is written.”
Apr 20th 2019 at 11:11:17 PM

The Memetic Loser section of YMMV.Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is getting very lengthy, is attracting questionable examples, and is becoming somewhat of a complaint magnet. Here are the examples in particular I feel are complain-y:

     Complain-y Examples 
  • Ashley got this reception after the August 2018 Direct revealed she was an Assist Trophy once again, despite being one of the most commonly-speculated characters beforehand. The fact this happened in the same Direct that confirmed other popular requests like Simon and King K. Rool as playable characters only added more fuel to the fire.
  • Poor Viridi cannot catch a break. For one, she's returning as a background character in the Reset Bomb Forest, meaning that her chances of becoming a playable character are very slim. Then Pit's Final Smash was revealed to be the Lightning Chariot, which was apparently in her possession, implying that he managed to steal/get it back from her. And to add insult to injury, Chrom, a character who she heckled for not being playable, ended up making it into Ultimate (with the added Irony of being a Roy clone with an Aether recovery move, instead of an Ike clone without said Aether recovery like she predicted). She's also a spirit that players can beat up on in a fight.
  • Sonic has been getting this for a while. It doesn't help at all that he and his franchise have been considered a Memetic Loser in the video game communinity as a whole for years due to his franchise's inconsistent quality during The New '10s and before, as well as its obscenely-shattered fanbase over what's considered good or bad for the series. The reasons for this in Ultimate in particular is that he has less material (let alone little-to-no new material) compared to other playable 3rd-party franchises, despite being one of the original two Guest Fighters (along with Snake) in Smash starting with Brawl, such as still having only one remix (the Angel Island remix all the way back from said Brawl). Other gripes tend to be that his moveset still has two different forms of his Spin Dash for special moves, and no reworks or updates to reference his actual fighting games like Sonic Battle, as well as still not getting a second playable representative from his series, with potential candidates remaining regulated to Mii costumes, Spirits, and/or Assist Trophies. Fans have started to wonder if Sakurai outright hates Sonic and is giving the series the short end of the stick for new material in Ultimate on purpose (especially in the wake of other Sega franchises, such as Bayonetta and Persona 5, and even other non-Sega mascot franchises such as Mega Man and Castlevania, seemingly getting better treatment, focus, and faithfullness to their source material in both Smash 4 and Ultimate compared to Sega's own mascot). Some even believe that this treatment was done on purpose because of Sonic's aforementioned isses with his franchise and fanbase.
  • Cloud may have this worse than even Sonic, because after his initial debut in Smash 4, he has had absolutlely no new material in Ultimate at all. No remixes (which has also been true for Smash 4), no Spirits besides himself (and even those are just cosmetic and simply use his Ultimate renders rather than any of his original artwork from Tetsuya Nomura), and he remains the only character in the entire game to speak Japanese in international releases. A lot of this can be chalked up to Square Enix being more complicated and expensive to get the rights from, but this ends up making Cloud and his game, let alone his entire franchise, have the least amount of content out of every playable franchise in the game.

Ashley's and Viridi's examples just come off as complaints about them not being made playable, Sonic's example is just a rant on the state of his franchise and fanbase and has nothing to do with the character himself with Speculative Troping to boot (the part about Sakurai possibly hating Sonic and the reputation of the franchise and fanbase as a possible reason for Sonic not getting much new conent), and the Cloud example is just a rant about Square Enix being stingy with adding new Final Fantasy content which has nothing to do with the character himself.

Edit: I removed the Sonic and Cloud examples for being blatant complaining, and I also brought up this section to the Is this an example thread.

Edited by ADrago on Apr 21st 2019 at 12:52:05 PM

Apr 26th 2019 at 8:20:59 AM

Over on YIIK: A Post-Modern RPG's Trivia and YMMV pages several different tropers added entries that were mainly about the lead developer for the game, which I deleted for ROCEJ and importing drama. Since this controversy is only a few days old I thought I should give a heads-up in case they're added back.

bwburke94 Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Ice Cream Waifu
Apr 27th 2019 at 1:14:32 PM

Laconic.Rebecca Black serves to bash her music.

Misspelled trope names dealt with... for now. Moving back to the Understatement project soon.
Berrenta Floof from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Floof
Apr 27th 2019 at 1:52:18 PM

[up] Seems like good cutlist material. Not sure how I could salvage it.

Apr 27th 2019 at 2:20:56 PM

[up][up] Add it to the cutlist.

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from The country of What Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Apr 27th 2019 at 4:02:12 PM

I completely swapped it out for the first sentence of the main page.

Under the wise words of Fighteer, "Innuendo is not Radar."
rjd1922 Ultimate Adora-bot from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Adora-bot
Apr 28th 2019 at 2:27:00 PM

Leo the Lion has a lot of complaining in the description, including the quote.

Believe in Keebs.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from The country of What Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Apr 28th 2019 at 2:47:31 PM

PDL put up the page and a lot of its complain-y description.

Under the wise words of Fighteer, "Innuendo is not Radar."
HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
Apr 29th 2019 at 11:03:17 AM

On Game of Thrones, almost every major villain is listed as an Anticlimax Boss. Is the series' problem with this really that bad, or is it complaining?

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
RAlexa21th Angel Flare, ready to go! from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Angel Flare, ready to go!
Apr 29th 2019 at 11:31:41 AM

It is complaining. Before Jonny gets back from the dead the series was not about epic fantasy showdowns.

A lesson without pain is meaningless.
rjd1922 Ultimate Adora-bot from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Adora-bot
Apr 29th 2019 at 3:17:26 PM

House Party's quote is literally just a review saying it's "a truly dreadful game".

Believe in Keebs.
Berrenta Floof from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Floof
Apr 30th 2019 at 4:02:03 PM

[up] What a truly dreadful quote. Deserves a pull.

Apr 30th 2019 at 4:10:40 PM

The YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog 2019 page is full of complaining since the first trailer was shown.

Crossover-Enthusiast Vibrating "Nyas" from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Vibrating "Nyas"
Apr 30th 2019 at 9:34:10 PM

Looks like we got another YMMV page lock on our hands...

A short Pokébreak for some Peridot.
WarJay77 from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
May 1st 2019 at 6:24:21 PM

The pages for both animated Titanic movies had a lot of complain-y natter added in the examples. I cleaned both up as best I could, but I may have missed something, so some extra eyes will be appreciated. I mean, I know both films are Snark Bait at best, but c'mon...

Just a lone troper on a quest to purge the wiki of ZCE's.
bwburke94 Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Ice Cream Waifu
May 1st 2019 at 6:41:09 PM

[up] Could this possibly be related to the edit war on RMS Titanic?

Misspelled trope names dealt with... for now. Moving back to the Understatement project soon.
WarJay77 from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
May 1st 2019 at 6:42:58 PM

[up] I highly doubt it, both of these films are generally considered to be awful because of their very poor portrayal of the event. The complaints are (or, well, were) all centered around the writing and animation and such, nothing to do with the actual disaster.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 1st 2019 at 9:43:28 AM

Just a lone troper on a quest to purge the wiki of ZCE's.
rjd1922 Ultimate Adora-bot from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Adora-bot
May 11th 2019 at 7:56:52 PM

While attempting to clean up complaining on Leo the Lion, Spider-Guinevere removed some tropes and turned some examples into Zero Context Examples.

Before:

  • Vegetarian Carnivore: Leo is apparently a vegetarian lion. It's not explained why he is a vegetarian but he sings about it a few times. While the movie tries to portray this as a good quality of his, his character model looks emaciated. . . which is pretty much how a vegetarian lion would actually look.
  • Villain Song: Maximus gets one, which clearly takes some cues from "Be Prepared".

After:

Edited by rjd1922 on May 11th 2019 at 9:58:17 AM

Believe in Keebs.
May 12th 2019 at 12:13:11 PM

I believe a tropers edit on YMMV.Arthur for D.W. might be i sided complaining.

Examples:

  • Moral Event Horizon: D.W. crosses it in "For Whom the Bell Tolls" when she manipulates Arthur into being her slave by pretending to have lost her voice. Slavery Is a Special Kind of Evil, after all.

  • Ron the Death Eater:
    • Although subverted in that there are times she can be an Enfante Terrible in canon as well, such as "D.W. All Wet" where she outright said that she wants Arthur to be eaten by an octopus, and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" where she manipulates Arthur into being her slave by pretending to have lost her voice.

  • Take That, Scrappy!: The titular event of "D.W. Gets Lost" is seen as karma for every bad thing D.W. has done over the course of the show and is rejoiced to the point that many fans wish it had been permanent.

Gacha Is A Lie.
razorrozar7 I'll be pretty one day. from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I'll be pretty one day.
May 12th 2019 at 12:22:23 PM

[up]definitely complaining. Moral Event Horizon? really? she's a child. that's ridiculous.

cut cut cut.

I'm Chloe. I fix things. Only you can prevent ZCEs.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from The country of What Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
May 12th 2019 at 2:02:42 PM

I went ahead and cut everything that played with YMMV.

Under the wise words of Fighteer, "Innuendo is not Radar."
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
May 12th 2019 at 6:30:47 PM

Yeah, a kindergartner (?) doesn't even have enough morals to form a horizon, let alone an event horizon substantial enough to be crossed.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
porkyThegrumpiest Liberator 0076 from Definitely not the Hague Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Liberator 0076
May 12th 2019 at 7:13:38 PM

I am not sure if this is the proper place to post, but has Tightwire been suspended on this site?

Edited by porkyThegrumpiest on May 12th 2019 at 9:15:30 PM

"Please do not be a control freak, or I might lost my faith in you..."

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