Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
I found a couple of examples from Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects: Power Creep, Power Seep: Used to try to show how dangerous the Imperfects are.
Real is Brown: In full display. Since the game was meant to be more "mature" and "realistic", that apparently meant everything needed to be dipped in mud. Also, several X-Men aren't wearing their colorful superhero costumes, instead going for street clothes or ridiculous-looking bikinis or long johns. Overall, the costumes seem like they were influenced by the Marvel movies that had been released at the time (such as the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies, the Bryan Singer X-Men movies, Fantastic Four (2005), Daredevil, etc.), which generally had more subdued and grounded costumes than the later MCU flicks. This is especially evident in the outfit designs for characters like Wolverine (who isn't even wearing a costume), Magneto and Elektra.
Scrappy Mechanic: The sacrifice mission mechanic in the story mode is rather disliked. While the missions are no more or less difficult than others, but essentially force the player to subject a beloved character to The Worf Effect, and is one of the reasons the Imperfects are so disliked.
Bolded the problematic parts.
Hi!
I wouldn't call the scrappy mechanic section "problematic". It’s explaining why some people don't like a part of the game pretty clearly. The Real Is Brown section is snarky, but not too bad. A simple rewrite would be fine.
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The fact that there’s an entire page dedicated to bitching about a bad kids movie's moral doesn’t make much sense is suspect enough. At best, it can be boiled down to the page’s YMMV.
Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Aug 21st 2025 at 4:00:00 AM
Do not mess with creatures which you do not understand.Unburying this post
I made a few weeks ago about the first Scrappy Mechanic entry on YMMV.Mario Kart World. I honestly feel like it would be a better fit for Casual-Competitive Conflict, since the loudest criticisms towards routes have come from competitive players. From what I have seen, a majority of players don't seem to outright dislike routes, at worst only having only a few grievances towards them.
Stumbled upon this entry for Avatar on The Native Rival which concerned me:
- Tsu'tey in Avatar is a jerk at first, but everything after that is entirely the hero's fault. The love interest was betrothed to the rival, after all. But, this being a Mighty Whitey film, Tsu'tey winds up dying serving the hero in the war with the RDA, after he basically forgives the hero for stealing his betrothed. A deleted scene (included in the DVD Special Edition) is even more egregious, in which Tsu'tey, mortally wounded, ends up passing on leadership of the Omatecaya to Sully.
Axe it. What
said. We're here to talk about and analyse creative works, not pass judgment on them.
Edited by DarkJediPrincess on Aug 23rd 2025 at 6:50:22 AM
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Hang on, Tsu'tey is a legitimate example of the trope in question, though. It just needs to be reworded to not be complaining.
From YMMV.Panty And Stocking With Garterbelt:
- The literal localization of the script for Season 2's English dub is poorly received by fans, who find it to be stilted and flat as well as lacking the charm and fluidity of what made the previous season's dub popular. One particular criticism is how Panty and Stocking's catchphrase "Repent, motherfucker!" is changed to the less powerful "Repent, bitch!"
Is this true? This was added by a single person, I've seen nothing but praise online for Season 2 so far and as someone who's seen both series, the S2 dub very easily matches the energy of the original. Plus, they do still say "Repent, Motherfucker!" at least once in the season so far.
Edited by ReginaldOgron5 on Aug 23rd 2025 at 3:53:23 AM
Wenn sie die Ente hierein lassen, lasse ich das Wasser hieraus!I'm thinking of adding Thomas & Friends proper to the sandbox. The movie Thomas and the Magic Railroad and its reboot, Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go, are already on there, but the pages for the original show has issues too, going back to its inception years ago. It's a long running show that's changed a lot over the years and suffered Seasonal Rot, with changing production companies over the years. You'll find this all over Trivia, YMMV, and even the Recap pages. There's probably some on the main page too to an extent.
The Recap pages for the classic episodes in paticular also suffer from complaining about Fridge Logic some Tropers had when they were making the pages, stuff like "Why is everyone mad at poor Thomas for running into the station master's house even though the cleaners disengaged his brakes, never mind that he was boasting about driving himself and that he moved himself with his brakes off. Also, what idiots live in houses next to the buffers?"
Edited by PlasmaPower on Aug 23rd 2025 at 6:31:41 AM
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!![]()
Alright, I added an entry about that show on there. I also linked to the cleanup thread for it for good measure.
I removed Tsu'tey's entry on The Native Rival and replaced it with a paraphrase of the other entry of that trope from his Characters page.
Ready to rock?Bringing this up from SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom. It's noticeably whiny.
- Bonus Feature Failure: In the original, paying the hefty price of 40,000 Shiny Objects to access the theatre was worth it since it unlocked a Concept Art Gallery and gave some interesting insight into the development process. When the remake was initially released, the theatre replaced all of the original concept art with only five or so poorly-compressed level thumbnails from the pause menu. It still cost 40,000 Shiny Objects. Thankfully, a patch replaced the disappointing gallery with actual concept art from Rehydrated's development.
I barely see any complaining besides the italicization, and otherwise it is a valid complaint.
Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Aug 24th 2025 at 3:15:35 AM
Do not mess with creatures which you do not understand.
Then perhaps you (or someone who is familiar with the work, which I am not) could rewrite it to be less whiny. Canuck's right, it's a legitimate criticism—I'd be very upset to discover that kind of thing.
I wrote that entry initially (a few years ago now) — apparently at some point it got edited by another troper into something more complainy
- Bonus Feature Failure: In the original, paying the hefty price of 40,000 Shiny Objects to access the theater was worth it, since it unlocked a Concept Art Gallery and gave interesting insight into the development process. In the remake, the theater doesn't have any of the original concept art or anything new; it's simply screenshots of existing areas in the game. It comes across as a waste of time, since by that point you've likely seen everything the game has to offer.
I put in a tweaked version of my original entry (to account for the patch)
- Bonus Feature Failure: In the original, paying the hefty price of 40,000 Shiny Objects to access the theatre was worth it since it unlocked a Concept Art Gallery and gave some interesting insight into the development process. In the remake, the theater initially didn't have any concept art nor anything new; it simply showed screenshots of existing areas in the game. With the price being the same, it came across as a waste of time, since you're likely to have seen everything the game has to offer by the time you can unlock it. This was addressed in a post-launch patch, which changed the theatre to show concept art from the remake's development.
Is it just me or do parts of this feel too much like Windows bashing? From The Alleged Computer:
- Pick any Windows computer from the last 20 years - chances are it's this. They're so consistently awful that pretty much the only reason they're still around is because the vast majority of games and animation software have no Mac support.
- One major reason Windows Vista was so poorly received was that it was a major leap forward in system requirements after six years of Windows XP, during which a lot of computer manufacturers had stopped bothering to upsell customers on ever-more-powerful hardware and instead just lowered their prices. Laptops under $700 and desktops under $400, which would have been unheard of in the early 2000s, became commonplace. Once Vista came out, these manufacturers tried to unload their remaining inventory with Vista preinstalled — a mandate from Microsoft — and ended up selling machines that could barely boot up, let alone run anything.
- Another reason behind Vista's botched launch was largely that the new Aero interface required a fairly high-end GPU to work at a time when most computers still shipped with atrocious Intel integrated graphics solutions, many of them laptops with no upgrade path or desktops without a proper AGP or PCI-Express slot for dedicated graphics. Intel actually had to get Microsoft to permit the "Vista Capable" spec for integrated graphics systems instead of the "Vista Ready" badge reserved for dedicated GPU systems just so all the pre-built OEM vendors could sell their woefully underpowered computers and claim compatibility with the latest OS.
- Microsoft also decided to provide a very cheap Windows OEM license with a more feature-limited version of Vista (and later 7), but only as long as the devices don't exceed a very minimal RAM and display size, hoping to bank on the rise of netbooks without eating their profit from proper laptops. Unfortunately, for some vendors, it means it was more profitable to keep selling devices that were barely able to run Vista since crossing the maximum limit would force them to release much more expensive devices that generate far less sales. This practice would later repeated in 2017 with Windows 10 onwards to much better user experience thanks to the easing limitations (free under minimal display size, very cheap to the OEM side if exceeded) and a feature-complete OEM license.
- The success of Windows 7 — which featured only minor changes — was largely due to being released three years later, when every new computer on the market was more than capable of running it smoothly and stable Vista drivers were abundant. That last point about drivers is particularly critical considering that a lot of NT/2000/XP drivers would not work on Vista, especially 64-bit installations that required new drivers entirely, but drivers coded for Vista will, more or less, work all the way up to Windows 10.
- History has repeated itself with Windows 10. When Microsoft released the operating system in 2015, they allowed that it might be free to download for a year. Then, some months later, they decided to attach Windows 10 as a 'preferred' update for any computers capable of running it, automatically downloading it. Various issues inevitably resulted, as not only were there severe driver issues with numerous types of hardware, but many computers which were 'recommended' were incapable of running it at any speed beyond impossibly slow. Netbooks were the worst offenders. The problem has also reared its head in another way: As Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer officially supported by Microsoft, not only are they becoming more and more an example, but if the customer attempts to update the computer to 10...
- Windows 11 has the exact opposite issue from Windows 10: It locks out computers that are just over 3 years old by mandating specific types of CPUs and hardware security features as a minimum. This was a case of extraordinarily bad timing on Microsoft's part, since Windows 11 was announced in the middle of a pandemic, worldwide silicon shortage, cryptomining craze and scalper boom (which in turn made the requisite CPU and motherboard upgrades hard to come by); many people were angry at Microsoft for what they saw as an arbitrary and unreasonable list of requirements.note However, the negative publicity isn't as bad as Windows 10's was, since the upgrade to Windows 11 is completely optional, and Windows 10 support is set to continue for several more years at minimum.
- At the turn of the millennium, Microsoft released two operating systems with confusingly similar names: Windows 2000, and Windows Millennium Edition (if you worked tech support at the time, you could expect about half your calls to be from someone claiming their computer runs "Windows Millennium 2000"). While 2000 earned a reputation as being stable, sturdy and nearly above any reproachnote due to it running off NT underpinnings (which led Microsoft to add the subtitle "Built on NT Technology" on the boot splash), Millennium has multiple glitches and questionable design decisions that created some truly insane problems, such as the System Restore folder feature ballooning out of control until the entire hard drive was consumed unless turned off, files going above 4GB getting automatically deletednote and system settings defaults setting up a constantly readjusting dynamic page memory that would keep the hard drive active at all times. That last one could cause premature disk wear that might eventually lead to complete drive failure. Getting this version to work correctly could get a savvy tech user suspected of using black magic. Much of the criticism behind Me was because of the fact that it was derived from the now-antiquated Windows 9x architecture, albeit with real-mode DOS access Dummied Out, reputedly to shorten boot times and improve on reliability. Not to mention that Windows Me was Christmas Rushed for a summer release as a stopgap while Neptune, which was to be the consumer-oriented edition of 2000, was delayed in favour of Me for whatever reason. If there's any silver lining to it, the NT-derived Windows XP born from the ashes of Neptune and the failure of Me would be fondly remembered as one of the best if not the best Windows release of all time.
The opening alone really sets me off. I like my Windows P Cs, and they hardly meet the standard of the alleged computer, but my bias is part of why I'm seeking a second opinion.
Edit: Thinking about it, none of this is really about the alleged computer as defined, with the exception of the Vista Capable thing, because horrendously underpowered computer running an OS it can't support is basically an example of the alleged computer. Meanwhile, the W11 thing is basically "System requirements changed. Whole classes of P Cs cannot go to the new OS", which is... not this trope.
Edited by Acebrock on Aug 25th 2025 at 2:44:30 AM
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We got a twofer here. Complaining and trope misuse all rolled up into one. Chuck 'em out the window.
Found on BrokenBase.SCP Foundation:
- WRATHCON, July 2024's contest, basically broke the SCP Userbase in half. It interrupted the ongoing Queer Pride Month celebrations on the site with an announcement that several felt was tone-deaf and inappropriate (The original tagline was "PRIDE IS DEAD", when it came out on June 19th of that year), apparently ignorant of the concept of Queer Wrath Month. Several LGBTQ+ users felt disrespected by the contest team rolling it out and stubbornly refusing to walk it back, on top of staff members essentially trolling the official thread. It had an Audience-Alienating Premise as well— all works except the winner would be deleted at the end of the contest, and could never be reposted. Staff pushed back the start date of contest after the backlash, but the damage was done: at least one user was banned as a result of their reaction to the contest being the culmination of years of disciplinary issues, and the backdraft was so intense, staff had to cancel all further contests and events for 2024 and do months worth of damage control. Making matters worse, the members of staff responsible for WRATHCON has refused to apologize for the content, only the timing, and were never held accountable for their behavior during the announcement.
Aside from not explaining the division, I have never heard the idea that the cancellation and disciplinary measures were not enough. This just seems like excessive whining about bad timing (the "PRIDE IS DEAD" tagline was a thematically-appropriate ULTRAKILL reference and I haven't seen much fallout after it was pulled) and staff exercising their right to stand their ground in a controversial but reasonable topic. Looking to pull.
As an aside, the troper who added this has already had at least one other SCP-related edit snipped through this thread.
Edited by TrocyteV on Aug 25th 2025 at 11:46:36 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"This reads less like a Broken Base entry and more like outright drama importation. Cut unless it's rewritten significantly.

The fact that the page starts off with:
Sounds very concerning. It seems like this page is only here to complain about the movie.
Edited by Rabbitearsblog on Aug 21st 2025 at 7:27:24 AM
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