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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, YKTTW or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

Edited by Berrenta on Dec 19th 2018 at 6:31:01 AM

Playing_with_boy Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Apr 13th 2019 at 3:49:19 PM

Found these complaining examples:

Redundant Parody:

  • Mother Goose and Grimm

    • There was a comic once of a man watching TV with a woman behind him looking shocked, and the caption, "Scully discovers the XXX Files." Which wasn't actually funny if you had any knowledge of The X-Files, since it was well-established that Mulder really did stash porn all over the office, and that Scully was perfectly aware of it and didn't care. (Not that it would be all that funny anyway...)

The Simpsons episode "22 Short Films About Springfield" feature segments taken from Pulp Fiction that are played almost straight, with little original humour. Snake accidentally runs into Chief Wiggum crossing the road in a direct callback to Butch running into Marsellus Wallace; extremely humourous and unexpected in the original film. Or one imagines it would be, if one hasn't had the unfortunate experience of seeing the almost completely unchanged (and far less funny) Simpsons version first.

Now, the remark in parentheses is complaining against the Simpsons sketch in regards to the humour in the "Snake-running-into-Wiggums" part, we all know that. Ditto with the XXX files. But, anyhting else complain-y before I chop up this example with my axe mouse/computer keyboard?

TrocyteV Relationship Status: Hiding
Apr 13th 2019 at 10:38:20 PM

[up]Chainsaw. It's nothing but bashing the works.

And did you know that world-renowned author Stephen King was once hit by a car? Just something to consider.
Apr 14th 2019 at 4:36:51 AM

I noticed that Tightwire added a bit on to the page description for First-Person Perspective. This was the original:

First Person stories have the advantage that it is very hard for the reader to not feel sympathetic towards the narrator.

And this was after they altered it:

First Person stories have the advantage that it is very hard for the reader to not feel sympathetic towards the narrator, even if they're a total Jerkass.

Looking through their recent edits it seems they've been re-writing whole chucks of trope page descriptions (see here and (here) to be more complainy without giving any kind of edit reason or going through the Trope Description Improvement Drive.

This is not the first time that this troper has been brought up in this thread.

DEIDATVM from East Fishkill, New York
Apr 14th 2019 at 8:18:59 AM

[up][up]I wouldn't say the first one's entirely bashing the work. It could be rewritten like this:

  • There was a comic once of a man watching TV with a woman behind him looking shocked, and the caption, "Scully discovers the XXX Files." But in The X-Files, it was well-established that Mulder really did stash porn all over the office, and that Scully was perfectly aware of it and didn't care.

The second I'm not too certain.

chasemaddigan Wait...
Wait...
Apr 14th 2019 at 9:22:23 AM

The Wiggum and Snake segments in that episode to play pretty close to Pulp Fiction, but they still have a few jokes that keep them unique. The scene depicted plays differently since Wiggum is pretty chipper before Snake runs him over ("Hey, I know you!") and initially chases after him just so they can exchange insurance information.

At the very least, it needs a severe rewrite. I doubt anyone was "unfortunate" seeing "22 Short Films About Springfield" before they watched Pulp Fiction.

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Apr 14th 2019 at 11:02:50 AM

[up] I mean, the entire episode is meant to be structured like Pulp Fiction. Not helping their case is that it's the same episode as the much beloved "steamed hams" segment.

Important Trope Repair Shop thread under construction for four closely-related items.
Crossover-Enthusiast Neck Acquired from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Neck Acquired
Apr 14th 2019 at 5:18:50 PM

I can't tell if this last sentence is sly complaining or not.

JustForFun.Steven Universe:

  1. "Keep Beach City Weird" (2): Some foreshadowing, and establishes Ronaldo; whether or not you enjoy this episode completely depends on how you feel about him. Many viewers find him annoying, and so episodes starring Ronaldo are often unpopular.

"I can finally draw Steven's neck in public." — Rebecca Sugar, 2019
nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Apr 14th 2019 at 9:55:29 PM

I, uh, have no idea what that page is supposed to be.

Someoneman Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Apr 15th 2019 at 6:48:20 AM

[up] The page is a viewing guide for Steven Universe that attempts to alleviate Archive Panic by listing which episodes can be skipped without missing important story details. The fact that Ronaldo is annoying isn't relevant to his plot importance, so I'd trim down the paragraph to remove the complaining.

Crossover-Enthusiast Neck Acquired from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Neck Acquired
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:17:12 PM

Done. Thank you!

"I can finally draw Steven's neck in public." — Rebecca Sugar, 2019
AJD
Apr 16th 2019 at 12:57:53 AM

The ratings on that page aren't entirely based on importance for continuity; there's an element of just-plain recommendation involved as well. Several other episodes are described as "critically-acclaimed" or "unpopular with fans" or "controversial" or "one of the best", since this is helpful for the new viewer deciding which episodes to watch. With that in mind, I figured "many viewers find Ronaldo episodes annoying" would be relevant for this list in that spirit—potentially useful information for the viewer deciding whether or not to skip an episode. No?

Crossover-Enthusiast Neck Acquired from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Neck Acquired
Apr 16th 2019 at 2:33:41 PM

Figured this was a misuse of Creator's Pet and I'm going to be cutting it for that anyway, but I decided to bring it here, just to be safe.

YMMV.Norm Of The North:

  • Creator's Pet: In the sequel, the Lemmings become this thanks to a scene near the beginning where Norm tells them they can't come to New York this time only for them to launch themselves onto the ship anyway. As the Lemmings themselves have had none of the issues that made them scrappies have been fixed, it feels like their re-inclusion was a deliberate middle finger to the characters' hatedom.

"I can finally draw Steven's neck in public." — Rebecca Sugar, 2019
Karxrida Mean and Green from Darkness within Darkness Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Mean and Green
Apr 16th 2019 at 5:44:23 PM

I think we have a Creator's Pet thread somewhere that you can take that.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Crossover-Enthusiast Neck Acquired from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Neck Acquired
Apr 17th 2019 at 1:45:14 AM

[up] Linking the thread would be nice.

"I can finally draw Steven's neck in public." — Rebecca Sugar, 2019
Apr 17th 2019 at 10:25:45 AM

YMMV.Yoshis Crafted World recently got edits complaining about how difficult 100% completion is, in particular saying every boss is That One Boss due to a challenge where you can't get hit, saying Sweet Dreams Fuel doesn't apply because it's harder than it should be, and saying the entire game is Nightmare Fuel because of how hard it is. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.YoshisCraftedWorld

RAlexa21th Angel Flare, ready to go! from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Angel Flare, ready to go!
Apr 17th 2019 at 11:27:07 AM

Undo the edits and holler the mods.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Apr 17th 2019 at 11:28:47 AM

Unless the user(s) in question edit war over the examples, we don't really need to take action. Delete the bad examples with edit reasons.

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Apr 17th 2019 at 11:33:29 AM

Game difficulty does not equal Nightmare Fuel. True Nightmare Fuel needs to "stick" to you even when you're not playing, and a challenging level only causes a stress response when you're actually playing it. And you can't "subvert" Sweet Dreams Fuel since it's Not a Trope and only actual tropes can be Played With.

Crossover-Enthusiast Neck Acquired from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Neck Acquired
Apr 17th 2019 at 2:00:28 PM

[up] Thank you!

"I can finally draw Steven's neck in public." — Rebecca Sugar, 2019
Playing_with_boy Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Apr 18th 2019 at 6:40:41 AM

Found this complaining example:

Hypocrite: Was nearly everything he despised two decades ago, has incited harassment and outright doxing of people he holds in contempt, harbors bizarre; if not outright sadomasochistic, fetishes that he shares with some of his readers, hails and defends the likes of Pier Paolo Passolini (who often portrayed women in an unflattering light), and being an overall unpleasant person that has done more to damage his own credibility than advocating for feminism. In fact, his smearing of Cassie Jaye stands out as a glaring example of how the man goes against all of his flimsily held principles out of deluded spite (Futrelle originally contributed to the project, but was dropped when all he provided for material was out-of-context r/The Red Pill posts, as opposed to the copious amounts of research and interviews Jaye personally did).

At first, I was like, "After reading this example, I have to just add curly brackets around Hypocrite, and this example will be good to go!" But, now, I wonder if I should delete it. Should I?

Apr 18th 2019 at 9:42:01 AM

[up] Where did you find that example? Hypocrite is No Real Life Examples, Please!, so if this example is talking about a real person (which it seems to be), it should be deleted and the one who added it should be told not to do that.

Playing_with_boy Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Apr 18th 2019 at 2:32:05 PM

I found this example on We Hunted The Mammoth. And Inthink it's about the person who runs the blog. So, I'm probably going to delete it.

Edit, Pt. I: Mispelled the blog's name.

Edit, Part II: Did the things that [up] told me to do.

Edited by Playing_with_boy on Apr 18th 2019 at 2:44:26 AM

Someoneman Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Apr 20th 2019 at 5:44:25 AM

[up] Do we even need that page? It looks like it's all about troping a real person's potentially controversial political views, which can't be okay.


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