Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
Quotes.One Moment In Time was recently made by an avid Peter/MJ shipper, and the one quote there is nothing but bashing the story.
The Protomen enhanced my life.The Oogieloves in the Big Balloon Adventure has a bunch of quotes from Caustic Critics (plus one that's not so caustic, but might be misleading since it's not actually in the movie) inserted below some trope examples. Will anybody miss them if they're removed?
LJN Toys's page quote also is nothing more than complaining.
Edited by Someoneman on Nov 23rd 2018 at 9:47:52 AM
Hmmm, I can see why you'd think that.
If we want further input, we can take this to the Caption Repair thread
.
The page quote and last two paragraphs of the description of Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) seem similarly complain-y.
Keet cleanupYMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 4 E 1 Princess Twilight Sparkle Part 1
- Informed Wrongness: Applejack mildly tears into Pinkie Pie about thinking more about frosting than reassuring Twilight of their friendship, yet the cast are such a Dysfunction Junction who do things to Pinkie Pie such as ignore her when she tries to get their attention or eat the cake she worked hard to protect that there isn't much of a reason why she should.
This was added by a troper with an agenda of bashing anything over Pinkie's treatment. They've been notified of this three times now. Several other tropers have undone their edits over this.
I'm cutting this unless anyone objects.
Hoo boy, Transformers stuffs are going to need an overhaul.
For example, Transformers: Prime's mains page has a link for the "biggest complaint" page.
Continue writing our story of peace.
I thought linking to crowners were okay. Transformers: Prime is far from the only series to have links to a Biggest Complaint crowner. For example, SpongeBob SquarePants, Family Guy, Harry Potter, and many others have links, but they're usually accompanied by links to a Best Episode crowner as well. Should cut all of those links?
I don't know. Just because there is precedent doesn't mean we should keep them. Best episode crowner doesn't go extensively gushing as biggest complaints' extensive complaining.
Edited by RAlexa21th on Nov 28th 2018 at 6:00:08 AM
Continue writing our story of peace.I just came across the following example for Warhammer 40,000
- Bribing Your Way To Being Able To Play: A starter army, with the rule book, matching codex, bitz for customization, paints and glues, and a case to put it all in? Expect to put down half a grand. At least.
- Unless you get your pieces off eBay. The market's saturated.
- Depends on what army you play. If you play World Eaters, you can get two squads of Khorne Berserkers and Kharn the Betrayer for about 50 bucks and have a pretty decent 500 point army.
- Zig-Zagged when it comes to actual victory. Larger (and thus more expensive) models tend to represent more powerful units, though these also cost more points to field, limiting their usefulness in smaller-scale games. Even in larger scale ones, having a super-heroic commander unit, a giant daemon or other monster, or a superheavy tank may sound cool, but many players know tricks to defeating such units, or at least limiting the amount of mayhem they can inflict. An equal number of points in (relatively) cheaper-in-actual-money basic units may serve just as well. On the other hand, a lot of winning strategies revolve around having a few not-cheap-in-actual-money models in your army.
In addition to the improper indentation, YMMV tag and potholed trope name violations I was wondering if it was also overly negative.
It violates How to Write an Example regardless. Only one trope is allowed per bullet point.
Edit: Crack Is Cheaper is what's causing the YMMV tag to appear, so if there's anything objective worth keeping, they'd go under Bribing Your Way to Victory, which isn't YMMV.
Edit: Crack Is Cheaper is actually filed under In-Universe Examples Only and No Real Life Examples, Please!. The YMMV status looks like an error, and since this example isn't in-universe, it doesn't belong on that page. I don't think Bribing Your Way to Victory is correct either, as that's primarily for optional things, while this sounds like it's describing the main components, so it looks like everything can be cut.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 29th 2018 at 5:51:56 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.Deleted. I also removed it from the Bribing Your Way to Victory as that seemed to have even worse complaining and as ![]()
said probably wasn't an example anyway.
Since it's still YMMV, isn't Crack Is Cheaper only In-Universe Examples Only on that trope page? If not, I think it should be; Example Sectionectomy tropes are still allowed on YMMV pages, so I see no reason why we can't have tropes that only have In-Universe examples on the trope page but allow out-of-universe examples on YMMV pages.
Edited by rjd1922 on Nov 30th 2018 at 6:11:14 AM
Keet cleanup
YMMV and In-Universe Examples Only do not mix. It must be one or the other, as IUEO affects how a trope is listed throughout the wiki, including wicks.
Edit to add: If it's IUEO, that takes higher priority, and any examples throughout the wiki that aren't In-Universe must be eliminated.
Edited by Berrenta on Nov 30th 2018 at 10:42:27 AM
Speaking of Karma Housini here's an entry in KarmaHoudini.Animated Films that might need a look
- Gnomeo & Juliet: Benny, Gnomeo's friend, manages to get away scot-free despite committing credit card fraud to buy a $20,000 lawnmower, destroying two entire gardens and nearly inadvertently killing the main characters of the film. He even gets a love interest during the Dance Party Ending. Completely averted in the original, as Ben is a pacifist and is one of the few characters still alive at the end.
I don't think that lawn gnomes can die, as they can be reassembled. Also why compare the movie to the original Romeo and Juliet, as it is a losely based parody.
The page to The Conversion Bureau seems too negative. I've never read these fics but there's a lot of bashing on the page because much of the fandom seems to hate the story and its derivatives.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
These examples on Made Out to Be a Jerkass seem to be written to emphasize the negative reception of the episodes. Some of them are more like Informed Wrongness, since it's the narrative portraying the character as a Jerkass rather than an in-universe misunderstanding.
- Used infamously in the iCarly episode "iFred", when Freddie make an innocent comment about not liking the act of Fred, a web host, which Fred apparently overreacts to and shuts down his show, causing Freddie (along with Carly and Sam) to be scorned by everyone in school and Freddie to be beaten up by Sam more than usual. Eventually, Carly and Sam force Freddie to apologize to Fred, who then reveals that it was all just an act for publicity. Even after it's revealed that Freddie was shunned, beaten, and forced to go against his own opinion for nothing, he's still treated like crap and Fred gets away with it with no consequences.
- Arthur: The episode "Arthur's Big Hit". No matter how you look at it, Arthur Read's anger towards D.W. (his sister) was completely justified, albeit extreme. D.W. also gets a meta-example of this; The audience is supposed to feel sorry for her when Arthur punches her for playing with the model plane. Unfortunately, she came off as unsympathetic because of a) repeatedly annoying her brother by disturbing him in the midst of him building his model plane, b) her own fault for throwing the model out of the window, and c) blaming her brother for "building it wrong" instead of apologizing. All in all, the situation came off as a case of Take That, Scrappy! instead.
- An infamous example is Futurama episode "Benderama". An ugly giant appeared in the first act and got upset when Fry accidentally insulted his mother. In the third act, he came to Earth to apologize for his behavior, but unfortunately, everyone's so intoxicated (due to all the fresh water on Earth being turned into alcohol) that they inadvertently pick him on and call him a monster, causing him to go crazy and start attacking the town, ending with him being killed by Bender's copies.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- The episode "One Bad Apple" also had this. After spending an entire episode being ceaselessly bullied by Applebloom's cousin Babs along with Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon, the Cutie Mark Crusaders make a float for a parade and deliberately engineer it so that Babs will steal it and end up careening into a lake. However, Applejack comes along and tells them that Babs was being bullied back in her hometown of Manehattan. This causes the CMC to think that by getting back at someone who's bullied them for no reason the entire episode, they have also become bullies. Much like "Arthur's Big Hit" above, fans were very divisive about this episode.
- SpongeBob SquarePants:
- Surprising enough, a most egregious example of this occurs in an episode entitled "Stuck In A Wringer". SpongeBob has an accident that gets him stuck in a wringer, and thanks to Patrick's stupidity (pouring permanent glue on the wringer), he can't get out. SpongeBob feels he'll never be able to do anything now, but Patrick gives him a Rousing Speech that he can go on. Unfortunately, Patrick's speech is proven unfounded as the wringer causes SpongeBob a ton of bad luck no matter how much Patrick tries to inspire him. Finally, in the middle of an amusement park, SpongeBob snaps at Patrick, telling him his life is over and that it's all his fault. Patrick runs off crying while everyone who was watching call SpongeBob a jerk and say he got what he deserved.
- Another infamous example was in Taz-Mania episode "Here, Kitty, Kitty", where Molly found an adorable kitten. Unbeknownst to her, however, the kitten was secretly vicious and mean, and was attempting to eat Molly's fish with Taz being the only one who was aware of the kitten's true colors. Unfortunately, Molly kept assuming that Taz was picking on the kitten and wouldn't listen to Taz's explanations. Eventually, Taz managed to get rid of the kitten and save the fish, but when Molly came up on the scene, she thought Taz was messing with her fish and still wouldn't listen to Taz's explanations, accusing him of doing something to her kitten. The episode ends with poor Taz being given a bath, which he hates.
Concerned about this example of Harsher in Hindsight on YMMV.Gate:
- At the time the novels were first released (mid 2000s), the idea of sending the JSDF to foreign lands to fight was absurd due to Article 9 of Japan's Constitution forbidding war (later interpreted as offensive war so that the US wasn't the sole military defense force). However, in 2015, the same year the anime began airing, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe pushed and passed legislation to allow Japanese troops to fight overseas. On the other hand, there are many who consider this to be a good thing, such as American conservatives and isolationists who applauded the decision * and, of course, the author of Gate, what with his right-wing stance and military background. One of the most prominent American critics of the current Japanese defense situation is none other than
Donald Trump himself: while focusing ire at Japan in the realm of trade, he has also taken potshots at the military alliance between the U.S. and Japan which requires America to come to Japan's aid should it be attacked but does not require the same from Japan due to Article 9.
Also, this example in the real life section of Do Not Adjust Your Set, which I brought up previously but got no response on:
- In Venezuela, Chile, Argentina and other countries there are Cadenas where the government can interrupt all the TV channels and radio stations at will. This was made for emergency reasons but has been abused for propaganda by all the governments, to say the least. At the time of writing cadena. What's the emergency? The president is graduating college students.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2018 at 4:15:50 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.