Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
The main page and YMMV of Enough is full of complaining and bashing but I'll focus on a few complaining examples that needs to be checked on. On a YMMV page , The Scrappy example seems to take a jabs on a main character's young daughter just because apparently she's annoying and her characterization to be a cute child who do nothing but cry or something like that Here's what I am talking about:
- The Scrappy: Gracie, Mitch and Slim's young daughter, whose only characterization during the course of the film is to be cute, whiny, shrieking, crying or sleeping. Even if you can't blame the girl for her parents' cruelty/stupidity, it still doesn't stop her from coming off as The Load who unintentionally impeded her mother's efforts to escape and provoked her father to his levels of implacability (even though she may have been written as such).
Also there's Natter which I don't really know if that's complaining but it kinda sounds like it is,
- Narm: Factor Nine, Captain!
- Although it's apparently intended to be serious, as Roger Ebert noted, Mitch is a completely absurd, Flanderized caricature of an abusive husband; not just a hybridization of Germaine Greer's worst nightmare, and Godzilla in human form, he's also, for the purposes of the plot, practically omnipotent. The scene where he rampages through the house of Slim's terrified parents is particularly amusing. Mitch himself may not necessarily be in it For the Evulz (he's generally shown to be angry), but that's no reason for us in the audience not to be.
- Slim suddenly has a self-defense coach, who teaches her and her alone, and even briefly narrates the final fight as if to say "use the force".
- Jennifer Lopez and Juliette Lewis' joint-catchphrase: "Piece of cake, piece of pie". This is repeated numerous times throughout the film. Towards the end, they even abbreviate it to the non-sequitur "Cake, pie".
And they may but more that I missed but for now I think these examples should be checked on. What to do with them?
Edited by Bubblepig on Feb 9th 2023 at 9:50:54 AM
"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"I will just repeat what I said in the "Is this an example" thread:
God! I dont like the movie more than they do but boy is that page whiny and bashy. If Iwere you I would chainsaw that without guilty. But this is a wiki and it has rules so meh.
Also "Factor Nine, Captain" is a Star Trek thing I think.
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Was about to reply to you on the Is this an example forum but since you reply the same thing, I'll answer this here.
I want to remove them but I don't know if I'm doing it right or not so I need permission sometimes so I make sure of it.
"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"Reposting since it got covered up:
This entry on YMMV.JK Haru Is A Sex Worker In Another World:
- Shallow Parody: Attempts to mock the isekai genre, but the satire is so flimsy it only works when typical isekai tropes are distorted beyond recognition. The setting and characters bear only a superficial resemblance to most tropes. Hiratori appears to be critiquing a version of a genre that does not exist. It seems to fail as satire and as an actual coherent story in general.
- Most Isekai settings do not explicitly glorify cultures that subjugate women, making the novel's "point" that isekai is misogynistic as a genre completely moot.
- Chiba is an Otaku with near godlike powers and could be with any woman he wants, yet he wants to be with Haru, who is a prostitute. Otaku culture is so obsessed with purity, that if this novel were actually realistic as it claims to be, Chiba would want nothing to do with Haru.
- Chiba looks or behaves nothing like most isekai protagonists. If anything, Chiba more or less resembles Motoyasu from The Rising of the Shield Hero. Even if it were an isekai that aren't satirizing the genre, he would still be an annoying, entitled foil to the main character to make them look better. Hiratori is not parodying isekai protagonists, he is parodying isekai *side characters*.
Do people agree that this is overly complainy?
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Looks like someone already got to it.
This is what it currently says:
- Shallow Parody: The story attempts to mock a common type of isekai story for the male demographic—that is, the adventuer isekai—but the setting and characters bear only a superficial resemblance to most tropes that the satire doesn't work as well as it wants to:
- Narrative treatment aside, most Isekai settings do not explicitly glorify cultures that subjugate women and often have the main character or allies speaking out against vile treatment, or if they are obligated to participate in morally questionable practices the main characters will try to be as "good" as the position will allow. Haru's observation that her new world isn't fair to women is not a new concept, nor is her observation that anyone without cheats doesn't have it nearly as good as the reincarnators/transplanted.
- Chiba is a hardcore Otaku with near godlike powers and could be with any woman he wants, yet he wants to be with Haru, who is a prostitute. Otaku culture is so obsessed with purity, that if this novel were actually realistic as it claims to be, Chiba would want nothing to do with Haru.
- While Chiba is parodying isekai protagonists, he is closer in role to an isekai side character; in particular, he resembles the "entitled reincarnator" archetype that often pops up in more self-aware works in the medium, such as Motoyasu from The Rising of the Shield Hero or Heroina Inderon of An Observation Log of My Fiancée Who Calls Herself a Villainess, who often embody all of the criticisms normal readers would have with isekai main characters without the actual focus reincarnator of the work having those flaws themselves (or not having them as unsubtle as this character would). Even if it were an isekai that wasn't satirizing the genre, he would still be an annoying, entitled foil to the main character to make them look better.
Honestly, looking at the page for Shallow Parody, it's pretty bashy as is. It takes until the fourth paragraph to acknowledge that shallow parodies can still be funny or otherwise good in their own right.
About Enough, should this page need a cleanup for how complaining it is?
"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"![]()
It's one of those pages that exists to complain that the general public are uncultured swines; others include Public Medium Ignorance and The Theme Park Version. I'm going to call this behaviour "oinking".
Edited by NitroIndigo on Feb 10th 2023 at 6:33:59 PM
Yeah, I gave PMI a tiny pass last year and trimmed some of the bits that were somehow gushy and bashy at once.
There's a bunch of trope pages, especially for YMMV items, that have an aggressive "us vs. them" tone, and a weird tendency to use phrases like "we" as though tropers were some monolith standing against the great unwashed.
I found this entry in YMMV.The Three Little Pigs:
- Fridge Brilliance: In an attempt to gain access to Practical Pig's house (at least in the UNCENSORED version), the wolf disguises himself as a Jewish peddler. Since meat from a pig is treif (not kosher), what better way to trick pigs into thinking you're not going to eat them? Unfortunately, this is only the ORIGINAL cut we're talking about (see Bowdlerize on the main page).
Also, I thought it was spelled "treifa"?
Anyway, I put Public Medium Ignorance on Tropes Needing TRS ages ago, and I'll go and add The Theme Park Version now.
Edited by NitroIndigo on Feb 11th 2023 at 9:15:51 AM
Bringing up Dino Squad. It apparently has a hatedom, and as a result the pages have a bad issue with complaining, snark, natter and nitpicking. Here are some examples, all from the YMMV page (I picked a few, since half of it is complaining in some form or another):
- Audience-Alienating Premise: A 90s-esque Totally Radical Recruit Teenagers with Attitude cartoon played completely straight...and it was released in 2007.
- Alternative Character Interpretation: They're all practically the same person, and very interchangeable with mostly informed characteristics, Caruso and Buzz being the exceptions, so each fan probably fills in the blanks in their own way.
- Cliché Storm: Oh, yes!
- Padding: The reverse transformation sequences, which are literally the normal sequences played in reverse. There's really no reason for them to be there other than to artificially increase the run-time of the episodes they appear in without having to make any new animation...
I stumbled across Chicken Little today, and it made me think "Just how far can the hatred for a hated character truly go before it gets too much?" These three examples are what made me question this, and they may even qualify as drama importation:
- Memetic Molester: The sheer, burning loathing people have towards Buck Cluck has led to him being labeled as the most over-the-top monster possible, including being a rapist or, at best, a sexual deviant.
- Memetic Mutation: A fake image of an edit of Buck Cluck's Wiki page talking about how Buck is a Complete Monster who enjoys torturing his son and has committed several crimes, including killing his wife. And it isn't just fake. His page on the Disney Wiki has had a very real problem of getting vandalized with such obscene content. If anything, what some editors have put on the real page makes the fake one look tame.
- Memetic Psychopath: The sheer hatred viewers have towards Buck Cluck has led to many stating he's on the level of the worst fathers in fiction and his page on the Disney Wiki has received a lot of obscene vandalizations making Buck out to be the most depraved and abhorrent creature in existence.
Maximum Ride's description is more complaining about how complicated the series is, than actually explaining the premise.
Edited by NitroIndigo on Feb 14th 2023 at 3:33:40 PM
- Base-Breaking Character: Wilma herself. Some readers like how she remains a Nice Girl who never tries to change herself after she becomes popular, and how she starts bonding with unpopular students. On the other hand, other readers feel like she never really has any Character Development, as she's obsessed with being loved by everyone and desperately wants to keep her superficial popularity in the entire book, even if she didn't do anything to earn it and the wish basically forces everyone to like her for no reason. After the wish ends, Ardis, Nina and Bee Bee call her out on it.
I'm dubious that The Wish, a standalone middle-grade novel, has enough of a fanbase that this audience reaction applies. If not, this is just a vehicle to complain about the premise.
Again about Enough, should this page need a cleanup for how complaining it is?
"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"
Just took it to the Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining sandbox, if it helps.

Huh, so the person who added it actually responded to my notifier and modified the example... slightly
. The Big "WHAT?!" and scrappy pothole are gone but the overall long winded and complainy tone are still there, and I feel a little weird about swapping the rewrite in myself now.
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