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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#11176: Feb 4th 2023 at 9:02:17 AM

[up] No, they were using Condemned by History.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Feb 4th 2023 at 2:02:25 PM

worldwidewoomy (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#11177: Feb 4th 2023 at 9:20:34 AM

[up] ohh. yeah i remember seeing something similar in trying to insist that the original movie was Bad, Actually

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#11178: Feb 4th 2023 at 9:56:49 AM

It is not. Everybody else fine with cutting the example?

worldwidewoomy (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#11180: Feb 4th 2023 at 6:04:55 PM

This was re-added to Franchise Original Sin, albeit "rewritten":

  • Many were especially critical of the show's heroes after the climax of Volume 8, calling them Failure and even Designated Heroes after they come up with a plan to evacuate Atlas and Mantle by sending everyone to Vacuo. This results in the death of Penny, the apparent death of Team RWBY and Jaune, and all the refugees last being seen a sandstorm under attack by countless Grimm. The heroes making questionable decisions at odds with the authority figures and this causing problems happened back in Volume 6, when they decided to steal an Atlas military airship to bypass a blockade, resulting in a massive fight and Grimm invasion of a city. But since they stopped the Grimm invasion before catastrophic damage was done and their plan ultimately succeeded, their questionable choices weren't dwelled on too much. Their plan in Volume 8, however, was seen as far worse not only because the mistakes they made were more obvious [[note: They didn't anticipate their enemies attacking them in the process or following the through the portals, and fans have speculated, but why they chose to send the Atlesians to a country hostile to them in more ways than one isn't explained]] and the results disastrous, but it came at the end of a story arc supposedly about the heroes proving themselves better protectors of humanity than General Ironwood, stirring strong feelings of disappointment and a Broken Aesop.

Any opinions?

Eh, good enough.
Berrenta MOD Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#11181: Feb 4th 2023 at 6:42:19 PM

Readded by the original troper, making it an edit war. Time to hand out a suspension; will also write down "Wall of Text" to the record.

Edit: Mod reverted.

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 4th 2023 at 8:44:17 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#11182: Feb 4th 2023 at 7:35:40 PM

I'm not sure what grudge they had against RWBY, but I recommend going up their search history to see if there were any problematic edits.

Eh, good enough.
SoyValdo7 I mainly fix indentation issues from La tierra de lagos y volcanes Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
I mainly fix indentation issues
#11183: Feb 5th 2023 at 12:09:22 AM

From the elves folder of Characters.Dwarf Fortress:

Arrogant pests who demand that you limit your tree-cutting. They will send a trade caravan each year, which will bring wood (it's okay when they do it, because they can use magic to get wood without killing trees), wooden goods, bags of sand and/or clay, fruits, rope and cloth made from plant fiber, and tame animals in cages. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from going to war with them if you don't find these goods worth putting up with them.

It's a bit harsh, don't you think?

Valdo
Acebrock He/Him from So-Cal Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
He/Him
#11184: Feb 5th 2023 at 12:51:40 AM

From Hero Insurance:

  • In Superman Returns, as Superman is invincible, the life bar is that of collateral damage done to Metropolis. Which is a brilliant idea in a shitty game.

Bolded seems over the line to me.

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MrMediaGuy2 Since: Jun, 2015
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#11186: Feb 5th 2023 at 3:24:07 AM

[up][up][up]Maybe, but from what I know, hating the elves is a memetic "requirement" of being a Dwarf Fortress player and is more or less encouraged by the game itself, so I'm not sure I'd call that complaining as such, TBH.

Edited by nrjxll on Feb 5th 2023 at 5:24:21 AM

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#11187: Feb 5th 2023 at 3:51:13 AM

[up](x4) I'd change "pests" to "elves" since the latter fits them more. While I originally thought the last sentence should be cut, because of[up], I think it should say that the game more or less encourages you to go to war with them.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#11188: Feb 6th 2023 at 1:27:45 PM

From The New Order: Last Days of Europe:

  • Tainted by the Preview: While by no means the universal reception, announced complete reworks for much of the German sphere and some Russian warlords (like Sablin), including the removal of lots of the most beloved, iconic, and popular parts of the mod, have gotten a lot of pushback from many fans of the old content, especially those who, as described under Broken Base, are not particularly swayed by the dev's argument that their reworks will be more plausible and more true to the historical figures the mod is using to tell its stories. For a fair sized chunk of the fanbase, it's thoroughly smothered any excitement for the actual reworked content being announced, and previews and Q and As have turned into something they dread, a chance to hear about what old thing they liked is next in line for the chopping block. Worse, many such announcements and their fans and apologists often take potshots at said old content, or at people complaining about its removal, leading many unhappy with these announcements to feel like their opponents are offering the thoroughly unpersuasive argument that these things they liked sucked and they sucked for liking them.

I believe the first part is a valid opinion to have, but the bolded part goes a bit too far in discrediting the opinions that other people have. Thoughts?

PhantomDusclops92 Nitpicky Nitwit from Italy Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Nitpicky Nitwit
#11189: Feb 7th 2023 at 2:27:44 PM

YMMV.Kim Possible has the Memetic Mutation examples in the folder for the live-action film all focused on mocking the film.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#11190: Feb 7th 2023 at 4:39:06 PM

[up] For reference:

First bullet could probably be rewritten to be less bashy. Second bullet doesn't even read as a meme, just general critical feedback. Third bullet is just a meme that originated from SpongeBob, so it can be cut as well.

Zarina Since: Aug, 2014
#11191: Feb 7th 2023 at 5:16:15 PM

This is on YMMV.JK Haru Is A Sex Worker In Another World:

  • Shallow Parody: Attempts to mock the isekai genre, but the satire is so flimsy it only works when typical isekai tropes are distorted beyond recognition. The setting and characters bear only a superficial resemblance to most tropes. Hiratori appears to be critiquing a version of a genre that does not exist. It seems to fail as satire and as an actual coherent story in general.
    • Most Isekai settings do not explicitly glorify cultures that subjugate women, making the novel's "point" that isekai is misogynistic as a genre completely moot.
    • Chiba is an Otaku with near godlike powers and could be with any woman he wants, yet he wants to be with Haru, who is a prostitute. Otaku culture is so obsessed with purity, that if this novel were actually realistic as it claims to be, Chiba would want nothing to do with Haru.
    • Chiba looks or behaves nothing like most isekai protagonists. If anything, Chiba more or less resembles Motoyasu from The Rising of the Shield Hero. Even if it were an isekai that aren't satirizing the genre, he would still be an annoying, entitled foil to the main character to make them look better. Hiratori is not parodying isekai protagonists, he is parodying isekai *side characters*.

Aside from the maybe questionable indentation, this feels very complainy and a bit defensive of the isekai genre, considering that at least the first bullet point is contradicted by a common criticism leveled at the genre regarding the treatment of female characters.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#11192: Feb 7th 2023 at 6:47:22 PM

I'm not sure what grudge they had against RWBY, but I recommend going up their search history to see if there were any problematic edits.

The troper also added the following entry to Franchise Original Sin, again a wall of text and complaining that the show isn't just about Team RWBY.

The show is an Ensemble Cast and Team RWBY has never been the sole main characters. It was nearly called Remnant precisely because of that, but the creators didn't think that would be a catchy title for a show, so they called it RWBY instead. There is a legitimate existing issue with some quarters disliking any character that isn't Team RWBY but that's already been more accurately captured under Misaimed Fandom. The other entry that was removed also already has a more accurate entry under Misaimed Fandom.

  • More than one reviewer has pointed out that the "Jaune Arc" in Volume 1 foreshadowed another problem that never truly went away: tons of characters taking screentime away from the titular team. Said arc is the second in the entire series, lasts roughly a third of the volume, and focuses on Jaune, a character who, while undoubtedly a main character, isn't part of the titular team. At the time, this could be forgiven because the stakes were relatively low, the arc helped make good on the series' initial premise of a magical warrior high-school, and they had practically the whole series ahead of them still plenty more time for team RWBY. Things initially seemed promising when Blake got her first story arc next, and later on the end of the high school part of the series suggested that anyone in the massive cast would be killed off or Put on a Bus once they were no longer strictly relevant. But then Volume 4 would introduce Oscar Pine and Blake's parents, make previous secondary characters Qrow and Sun main cast members, and gave Jaune, Ren and Nora character development, but Ruby herself little to none. The issue is largely seen as having reached it's zenith with the Ace Ops in Volume 7, who, while fairly popular as characters, get sizeable amounts of screentime and action even during the climax of the Atlas story arc, which is ostensibly about team RWBY saving all of Atlas' people and then being defeated by Cinder.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 7th 2023 at 2:57:04 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#11193: Feb 7th 2023 at 6:58:23 PM

[up](x5) I agree with cutting the bolded part because it's bashing other people. Plus, I actually feel it's unneeded.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#11194: Feb 7th 2023 at 8:02:19 PM

[up][up] After having a quick look, the same troper (Ansongc2000) added back an Adaptation-Induced Plot Hole example for Cinder in RWBY, despite this thread concluding it needed to be cut. When they suggested a rewrite, the question of a fairy tales having valid adaptation-based plot holes was raised. They still added it back to the page without engaging with that concern. I did flag this unilateral re-add, but completely forgot I did so until now. Looking through the trope page history, they added the original entry, so this incident also looks like it might have been an edit war on their part.

Is the thread okay with me removing it?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 7th 2023 at 4:03:01 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#11196: Feb 7th 2023 at 8:11:20 PM

Report on ATT?

[down] Okay, I'll leave it at this.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 7th 2023 at 4:21:02 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#11197: Feb 7th 2023 at 8:14:00 PM

The troper literally just showed up in Edit Banned, soooo

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UFOYeah Since: Mar, 2022
#11198: Feb 9th 2023 at 1:58:18 AM

This WTHP entry seems rather negative, with potholes to The Scrappy, rhetorical questions, and the entry ending with a Big "WHAT?!". Surely it could be toned down in some way.

[down] Thanks, I swapped it in.

Edited by UFOYeah on Feb 9th 2023 at 2:43:20 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#11199: Feb 9th 2023 at 2:31:10 AM

Sent a complaining notifier. As for the example itself (it's been 10 years, why are people still salty about this game?):

  • Paper Mario: Sticker Star: Every boss battle has a Thing sticker that can be used to weaken if not outright defeat it. If you don't use the correct Thing sticker on the boss, say for a self-imposed challenge, Kersti will call you out at the end of the fight for "using too many stickers" or something to that effect.

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#11200: Feb 9th 2023 at 2:34:23 AM

That's a great replacement version! Do feel free to use it!

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.

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