Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
Designated Hero: Nobody is going to look at the Nazis as anything but villains after they invaded Europe and drove much of the cast of characters to Casablanca as refugees, but no mention is made in the film of Morocco being a French protectorate that had violently suppressed rebellions against colonial rule.
From the YMMV section of Casablanca. I dont know if this is kosher but I KNOW the trope is being misused.
Edited by AegisP on Sep 6th 2022 at 12:00:56 PM
As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.Headscratchers.Star Trek The Next Generation S 1 E 3 Code Of Honor is entirely out-of-universe speculation about how such a racist piece of garbage got made. Isn't that sort of out-of-universe thing outside the bounds of headscratchers?
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIAFrom Memes.Genshin Impact:
- My color's coming off, I'm turning white![[labelnote:Explanation]]This actually applies to a lot of Sumeru characters: many fans were not happy when the new characters came out, and far too many of them were depicted with pale skin (Sumeru is based off of the Middle East and Southeast Asian countries), but Candace is particularly notable in the fact that she's based off of the dark skinned goddess Kandake. Candace has tanned skin, but it's not nearly as dark as the goddess is usually depicted.[[/labelnote]]
I feel like this is moreso complaining about the character designs of the characters than an actual meme. While I do understand the grievances, I still believe that this is just thinly veiled complaining and should be somewhere in YMMV instead if possible (probably under Tainted by the Preview).
SING TO ME, LEND ME THE SONG OF BLASPHEMY
I posted the same thing on the Memetic X Clean Up Thread
last night.
And I agree that its complaining rather than an actual meme.
This is under Only the Author Can Save Them Now:
- Mass Effect had this in full force, with the series establishing it early on how advanced and beyond the galactic civilizations the Reapers are. In the first game it took an entire fleet of warships to take down one Reaper, and the second game ends with a shot of thousands approaching the galaxy. In the third game Admiral Hackett outright tells the Player Character that the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally. True to form, surprise! A Deus ex Machina is introduced early in the game and is the only way to win — or, depending on your point of view, a Diabolus ex Machina is introduced that lets you choose which way you want to lose.
Aside from sniping at the ending, I wonder if it even fits. As it says, the means to defeat them is introduced early on in the game, so it isn't a Deus ex Machina, nor this audience reaction. The entry is looking at the trilogy as a whole, but even from that perspective I would say it fails because it's only in the third game that the Reapers are attacking in force. So once the danger is present, so is the means to fight it.
I am aware that the second game has been criticized as a glorified sidequest that doesn't do much about the Reaper threat, and there is plenty of discontent about the Catalyst, but that's a different thing than Only the Author Can Save Them Now.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
Yeah, if the object's introduced early on, then it's not a Deus ex Machina. It can be deleted for misuse.
Two disastrous AudienceAlienatingEra.Live Action TV entries I found. The former I am 99.9% sure is by that one "Elmo and The Wubbulous World of Dr Seuss season 2 sucks" single issue wonk guy I've brought up here countless times in the past. The latter, well I know nothing about the source material so I can't comment much, but just look at it:
- The Dr. Seuss franchise saw one in 1998 with the premiere of The Wubbulous World of Dr. Seuss' second season, which unsurprisingly got the show cancelled:
- For starters, this season completely changed the show's format. The Cat and the Little Cats would have their own subplot that took up the majority of the show and were joined by Terrence McBird, a bird who worried about everything and nitpicked too much. There was also the Wubbuloscope―a piece of machinery that the Cat used to present stories from Seussville, the Jungle of Nool, and the Kingdom of Didd. A lot of Dr. Seuss characters who weren't the Cat in the Hat like Horton, Jane Kangaroo, Morton, the Grinch, and Yertle the Turtle only appeared on-screen for a few minutes, then they disappeared and were never mentioned for the rest of the episode.
- The show attempted to be "hip" with the kids by carrying over Little Cat Z from The Cat in the Hat Comes Back and making him visible, as well as having him possess a hipster attitude by muttering Z-words.
- Unlike in the first season, the same formula was used for every episode, making the entire second season repetitive and predictable. The episodes themselves also focused on typical kids' show fare like "let's cure a hiccup", "be healthy and strong", "cleaning up can be fun", and "don't be afraid of the dark". More often than not, Terrence McBird would refuse to try something fun the Cats are doing and then they would get him to like it.
- Let's not forget to mention that Terrence would occasionally forget the lesson he was taught by the Cats in prior episodes. Despite the Cats already having taught him how to fly in "The Cat in the Hat's First First Day", they had to teach him how to fly again in "Walkin' with the Cat".
- Some Dr. Seuss characters who previously appeared as major characters in the first season returned in the second season, but they only had supporting/minor roles (due to the Cat in the Hat's omnipresence, of course). Mr. Knox and Fox in Socks returned, but would only show up every once in a while in the Cat's playhouse, usually to provide a musical number. Also, many characters from the first season like Sue Snue, Thidwick the Big-Hearted Moose, and Mayor Stovepipe disappeared.
- Sam-I-Am made his debut in the second season, but only showed up to lend a helping hand to the Cats in their playhouse and left soon after. He was also given a twin sister named Pam-I-Am, who was underused and only made four appearances before the show ended.
- Yertle the Turtle and the Grinch, who were recurring villains in the first season, became far less evil and threatening than their book counterparts. With Yertle the Turtle, the second season completely retconned his goal to be king of everything. Aside from appearing in the intro with the rest of the show's cast, he also barely made any new appearances. He became much nicer, even sharing his nut collection with Earl in "A Bird's Best Friend" after refusing to the first time. Furthermore, his home was moved from Salamasond to the Jungle of Nool.
- Linda Bell Blue spent 19 years (1995-2014) as the executive producer of Entertainment Tonight after serving in a similar capacity on its sister program Hard Copy. It was upon that point that Entertainment Tonight slowly but surely, transformed from being a classy, infotainment programnote to a sensationalistic tabloid type of show. When Hard Copy went off the air in 1999, and that show's staff was absorbed into Entertainment Tonight, that's when the tabloid-ization of ET really went full throttle. Once the 2000s rolled around, ET became a weird blend of pointlessly smarmy and vacuously chipper Happy Talk. And as ET slid into the Reality Show psychology of the present era, there was a deliberate avoidance of focusing on the projects anymore (unless there's a Paramount/CBS tie in, which is why they reported endlessly on NCIS and Donny and Marie Osmond) and just going celeb scandal wall-to-wall, with endless promos for stories that wind up being shorter than the oft-played promos themselves. To clarify, within a half-hour block, they could discuss five things, which are almost always completely useless celeb gossip topics. They'll repeat these five things and their corresponding footage about a dozen times each before showing you what they promised, which includes maybe one or two more sentences or minutes of footage, but no new information. Its jumpiness and repetitive editing seemed to be done by or for someone with attention deficit disorder or extreme short term memory. And yet, the show still tried to retain its old maudlin pretense of being somehow an advocate for the stars and their audience.
Neither are salvageable as written in my opinion. Also Immoral Journalist at least is NRLEP. I'd cut both.
They've both been removed.
And yes, the Dr. Seuss one was indeed added
by Like A Big Pizza Pie.
Bringing this up from Unintentional Period Piece's 90s sub-page. It was fairly recently added to it.
- ''The Fugitive" basically screams "Chicago, 1993" in everything it does. From the cop cars, to the ads and street signs, to the damn hair cuts, even the film quality. Everything is early 90s.
I believe it needs a re-write, especially considering it's not in much of a neutral tone considering the phrase "the damn hair cuts". I also suggest giving the editor who added it a warning.
This was retroactively added to the 8.8 entry on YMMV.Sonic Unleashed by Vittorio Fedele
- Also, during the review for Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 versions, the guy from IGN was not being professional, either with terminology or with no explanation for the flaws of the game. Let's just look at the footage from the daytime stages, especially when he complained about the controls. He played pretty much really poorly, not even attempting to do the tricks and always failing them, slowing down due to mistakes in controlling, and most of all, in the Windmill Isle Daytime stage, when he just moves really slowly and jumps over the jump panel instead of running on it, resulting in a death. Is IGN bad at even playing the Sonic games? The guy that reviewed these version, Hilary Goldstein, was fired a few year later.
I don't know about you, but besides the grammar issues present, this really seems the person is attacking the reviewer for not playing the game well as opposed to a fair overview. Stuff like "Is IGN even bad at playing the Sonic games" is especially unnecessary.
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Sep 7th 2022 at 4:52:00 AM
On this recap page [1]
, for A Little Piece and Quiet, whoever wrote it is pretty critical of Penny for not using her power to solve tensions between U.S. and the Soviet Union and focusing on her own problems. I get why it would be important for tensions but reading it, Penny was focused on her own problems until the end when she realized what was gonna happen if she unfroze time.
I found this entry in dire need of a rewrite in SpotlightStealingSquad.Anime And Manga:
- Sailor Moon:
- The anime succumbs to this in the fourth season, often having episodes where the Inner Senshi never even showed up, and the season focuses a lot on Chibiusa/Sailor Chibi Moon. The problem with the heavy focus on Chibiusa in the fourth season is that, in the manga, she is meant to be the focus character and the anime follows that. However, Chibiusa never got the Character Development in the previous season, so it's jarring that the Joke Character is suddenly the main character.
- This gets especially bad in Crystal, where the Inner Senshi's contributions get drastically undermined in earlier arcs by Mamoru constantly having to bail them out, as they repeatedly give up with zero effort in fights. This only gets worse in season 3 where the Outers completely show them up in every way, reducing them to little more then damsels on demand. Added to the fact Crystal completely cuts out any of the side stories that actually gave them a smidgen of development. Characters like Rei have their personalities watered down to the point where it's barely noticeable.
- The Starlights in Season 5 sometimes get more attention than the Inner Senshi themselves. Naoko Takeuchi, creator of the original Sailor Moon manga, was surprised that the Starlights had been given bigger roles in the anime than they had in the manga, though it continues the trend of the 90's anime where it gave minor characters and minor supporting characters from the manga larger roles in the anime.
- While the Starlights as a whole had been considered a spotlight stealing squad, Seiya/Sailor Star Fighter was a one-woman spotlight stealing squad in a similar vein to Usagi, getting more episodes dedicated to her than Yaten/Sailor Star Healer and Taiki/Sailor Star Maker ever had, though that was because of her closeness with Usagi.
Plus she was literally plot relevant from the moment she was introduced in the second season. She isn’t exactly a joke character.
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!This was added to the YMMV.RWBY page:
- So Okay, It's Average: While the show has plenty of fans who adore everything about the show and detractors who hate everything about the show, there is a large middle ground between the two sides that tends to view the show in this light instead. It is far from the worst thing out there like many of its worst detractors tend to claim, as it has enjoyable fight scenes (particularly in the early seasons when Monty Oum was in charge), fun character designs, an interesting setting and moments where the show does geniunely become great, however, it is held back by questionable-to-poor writing and pacing issues, with many plot points and characters that had potential and could've been interesting being left underdeveloped.
So Okay, It's Average is supposed to be about a work that fans think is neither good nor bad, and just doesn't stand out enough in any fashion to produce any strong feelings about the work at all. However, this entry comes across as stealth (and generalised) They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot complaining.
I think the entry can be rewritten rather than deleted. Is anyone okay with this rewrite?
- So Okay, It's Average: While the show has many fans who adore the work and many detractors who hate it, there is also a large middle ground with no strong feelings about the show. This audience believes that a combination of decent fights, fun character designs, interesting settings and issues surrounding writing, pacing and plot resolution means that its strengths are over-hyped by the fans and its weaknesses are exaggerated by its detractors.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 8th 2022 at 3:37:53 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.That just sounds more like Love It or Hate It, which doesn't allow examples.
Came for the tropes, stayed for the cleanup.![]()
Hopefully I can come up with a good rewrite once I complete the 90s series at least.

I think part of what's missed in those entries is the humor. It wasn't like the episode ended with a clear message of "Apu is 100% right, and we should all follow his example".
There are two jokes that go along with his bit towards the end. 1, he mentions that tofu dogs have thrice the fat of regular hot dogs, going along with the long running idea that the Kwik-E-Mart sells horribly unhealthy stuff (and it's truth in television that tofu isn't some magically healthy food-it has a lot of fat in it). and 2, he straight up calls Lisa a monster for eating cheese, because he does not.
This second bit is also a joke, because of how it's delivered ("Then you must think I'm a monster." "Yes, indeed, I do think that."). So that undercuts, deliberately, the seriousness of Apu's view, which the show really wasn't trying to hold up as the moral of the episode. It was more about Lisa realizing she wasn't alone, even if she was in her family, and that helped her find harmony with her family. So that would fall under Hypocritical Humor more than anything else.
As far as Don't Shoot the Message, it's worth pointing out that if you're going to say "a lot of people" you should probably have some kind of record of that. Critically, the episode was incredibly well received and had a high rating share, so where are these people from who didn't like the execution? This sounds more like Fridge Logic from people re-watching the episode and nitpicking, because the episode as a whole seems very well liked and popular.