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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#9626: Jul 9th 2022 at 2:03:25 PM

[up] should I cut the Abby Cadabby one underneath it? It's decently written but I don't think she has any sort of hatedom like Elmo.

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RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#9627: Jul 9th 2022 at 2:09:33 PM

[up]You can cut both of them.

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#9628: Jul 9th 2022 at 2:15:08 PM

Creator's Pet has four specific criteria, as described on that page. Unless an example fits all of them (and describes how it does so), it doesn't fit.

Since the target audience of Sesame Street is children, audience reaction examples have to take that into account. Older viewers hating those characters is Periphery Hatedom, which is Flame Bait and not to be listed anywhere. Checking Periphery Hatedom shows that those characters are already listed there.

AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#9629: Jul 9th 2022 at 2:35:42 PM

Alright, Sesame entries are gone. I don't why I have to constantly bring Sesame complaining up here. Sometimes I theorize that it's most of the time the same editor (who I also think has put similar rants on the wiki about The Wubbulous World of Dr. Seuss) but take this with a grain of salt as it's just a hunch and I have no evidence.

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Jul 9th 2022 at 5:36:43 AM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#9630: Jul 9th 2022 at 3:26:23 PM

I mean, you can just dig into the history and find out.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#9631: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:24:52 PM

I checked the history, and if you're referring to Like A Big Pizza Pie, they do appear to be the one who added those entries.

AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#9632: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:57:10 PM

[up] yep, that name sounds obnoxiously familiar. I'd say they have a Single Issue Wonk. Fortunately they haven't edited since last year.

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Jul 9th 2022 at 8:57:35 AM

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#9633: Jul 9th 2022 at 7:44:34 PM

It's cuz they were suspended for this very issue and never appealed.


BTW, is YMMV.Law And Order Special Victims Unit too complainy or is it just a fair amount of fandom criticism?

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 9th 2022 at 10:46:22 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#9634: Jul 9th 2022 at 8:36:55 PM

[up] Apologies for forgetting that I already took this to Ask The Tropers.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#9635: Jul 10th 2022 at 5:40:03 AM

For SVU

We could remove These for one.

  • Esoteric Happy Ending: Due to the ineptitude of the parties involved it is highly unlikely that a lot of the cases will end in a conviction due to the substantial amount of reasonable doubt the cops give the defense.
    • "Contagious" is about a person wrongly being accused of rape by a 12 year old, who's actually too scared to name the real culprit. Before she recants her lie, the uncle she accused is arrested in public, and multiple parents accidentally pressure their kids into (falsely) testifying that they were raped by the guy. Eventually the SVU realize that they accidentally pressured the kid into naming the culprit because they were so sure it was him. They get the kid to testify who the culprit is and are easily able to prove he did it... but their main witness already lied, so why believe her now? (This is actually negated by the fact that the SVU can pin the guy for murder, but if the rape was his only crime, he'd walk.)

(The first part is general and uh well a lot of villains confess or are gotten on DNA, actively committing a crime, etc. So a conviction wouldn't be too weird)

And in the second one. Even the entry mentions this dude confessed to this. I don't know how this would be a difficult trail when you plead?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#9636: Jul 10th 2022 at 8:32:37 AM

Are those the only two bullets? Lists of the form

  • Trope: This work frequently uses the trope in manner XYZ
    • Example of trope used in manner XYZ
    • Another XYZ
    • More XYZ

are fairly common; the top-level description text is not an example so much as a summary of the below examples. But it only works if you have a list of multiple similar examples.

e: oh wait the page was linked right there
Yeah that's what's going on in this case.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jul 10th 2022 at 11:33:23 AM

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#9637: Jul 10th 2022 at 8:51:49 AM

Oh I know it's indented badly as well. I just wanted to discuss the actual content.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 10th 2022 at 8:52:06 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#9638: Jul 10th 2022 at 10:21:38 AM

Yeah there's a second bullet. The first isn't really a general example IMO, it's setting up the indented examples.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#9639: Jul 10th 2022 at 10:34:32 AM

Yeah but the first one not applying since the guy confesses means it will need to get removed too.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#9640: Jul 12th 2022 at 8:18:48 AM

[up] I agree. Since it isn't an example, cut the second bullet.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#9641: Jul 13th 2022 at 1:29:43 AM

This entry on MisaimedFandom.Anime And Manga seems weirdly passive aggressive towards people who don’t understand Yamato, the potholes to certain tropes not helping. It also dosen't explain what they’re saying either.

  • One Piece:
    • One of the core themes of One Piece is to follow your dreams no matter what anyone tells you. Characters regularly achieve the impossible through sheer force of will and even the dreams of villains are only looked down on if that villain decides hurting others is a key component. Good luck explaining any of this to certain people whenever Yamato is being discussed. His exact gender identity is somewhat ambiguous in the sense that there are countless ways a person can be transgender (so his body is not a strong counterargument) but to suggest any orientation is unrealistic for any reason means you don't understand the world of One Piece.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jul 13th 2022 at 5:37:20 AM

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#9642: Jul 13th 2022 at 2:10:52 AM

Without more context for Yamato's story, that just sounds like fans being transphobic, which unfortunately will happen to any work with a trans (or even ambiguously trans) character and may be too broad for Misaimed Fandom. But with a bit more explanation and cutting those potholes, it'll probably be valid.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#9643: Jul 13th 2022 at 3:19:57 AM

Replace the third centence onwards ("certain people") to a neutral writing how some amount of fans are critical about Yamato following his own dreams while it's fine for everyone else.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#9644: Jul 13th 2022 at 11:20:34 AM

[up] Why make it even-ended? It's not Broken Base, it's Misaimed Fandom. The comparison necessary here is the misaimed fandom versus the show's intentions.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#9645: Jul 13th 2022 at 11:22:41 AM

I did not suggest writing about the supporters, so I don't see even-endedness here.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#9646: Jul 13th 2022 at 11:30:13 AM

What did you mean by "how some amount of fans are critical about Yamato following his own dreams while it's fine for everyone else" then? /gen

EDIT: Ohhh nvm, Ambiguous Syntax, thought "fine for everyone else" meant the fandom not the characters.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 13th 2022 at 2:30:38 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
MrMediaGuy2 Since: Jun, 2015
#9647: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:37:05 PM

This was just added to Calvin and Hobbes, and something about it feels wrong to me.

I guess it's because since Hobbes is an extension of Calvin's own personality, Bill Watterson's intention was that he represents Calvin's own hidden crush on Susie.

Edited by MrMediaGuy2 on Jul 13th 2022 at 6:18:33 AM

Cutegirl920fire Player 222 from the Squid Games (Five Long Years) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
Player 222
#9648: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:42:41 PM

[up] Admittedly, I'm not too knowledgeable on Calvin and Hobbes but I do know that Hobbes is an imaginary friend of Calvin, so I do think it's reasonable to assume that Hobbes' crush on Susie is an extension of Calvin's.

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:43:08 AM

CG for short
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#9649: Jul 13th 2022 at 5:03:15 PM

all else aside, Hobbes is a fucking toy. any inappropriateness is in the mind of the viewer.

Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#9650: Jul 13th 2022 at 6:46:52 PM

I don't recall anything about swimwear, but every strip I read in which it happens is more on the level of them playing together and only the subtext with Calvin makes it at all romantic. I'd say cut, though I'm not sure what qualifies for No Yay anyway.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

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