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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

Zarina Since: Aug, 2014
#9276: May 13th 2022 at 10:04:43 AM

How's this:

  • Awesome Music: Mark Isham's "Sense of Touch" (based on the traditional Welsh song "Lisa Lam") plays throughout the film, including as its outro, and really sets the poignant tone that the movie is going for.

Based on the opinions I could find on the song itself.

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#9278: May 13th 2022 at 11:21:00 PM

Wasn't quite sure where to ask about this, so I'm bringing it here: An example of Unintentional Period Piece on YMMV.Walking With Dinosaurs was just rewritten by AnimationFan767 into this:

  • Let's see? Non-saurian Triassic wildlife being sluggish and ungainly primitives? Scaly coelurosaurs? Ornitholestes with a nose-crest? Whale-sized pliosaurs? Plesiosaurs crawling onto land? Stiff-necked diplodocids? Female T. rex ouclasing the boys? Badger-like Didelphodon? Quetzalcoatlus looking nothing like Quetzalcoatlus? Dinosaurs already teetering towards extinction before the meteor impact? Yes, there is no denying that this show is very much an embodiment of late '90s paleontology.

The example is valid, but isn't this style of snarky rhetorical Word Cruft discouraged now?

Edited by harryhenry on May 13th 2022 at 11:21:26 AM

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#9279: May 13th 2022 at 11:23:50 PM

[up] yikes, this needs a rewrite.

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#9280: May 14th 2022 at 8:54:01 AM

[up][up] Agreed. Can somebody familiar with the series suggest a re-write?

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#9281: May 14th 2022 at 9:06:36 AM

I can't rewrite it, but what I can do is comment it out until a more objective rewrite comes by.

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#9282: May 14th 2022 at 9:08:19 AM

[up][up][up][up] It was just rewritten? What was the example like before that?

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#9283: May 14th 2022 at 12:09:09 PM

YMMV.If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device:

  • Harsher in Hindsight: Episode 11's monologue about the Emperor claiming to have become ''Webcomic/{{Sonichu}}'' author Chris-Chan in a past life [[AntiRoleModel to try to teach ordinary people what not to do in life]] went from being a clever gag about an [[AcceptableTargets acceptable target]] (since Chris was infamously homophobic and borderline racist at the time) to more than a bit uncomfortable after the real world Chris went from being childlike to severely mentally ill, and deeply delusional to the point of having a God complex.%%Do not mention what happened to Chris-Chan's mom or other details of that nature.

Do we want to ax this per our ban on discussing Chris-Chan?

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#9284: May 14th 2022 at 12:10:10 PM

I won't miss the entry if it's removed, to be honest.

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#9285: May 14th 2022 at 12:11:45 PM

It could be an example of something if it's mentioned in the work, but safer not a YMMV one.

Edited by Amonimus on May 14th 2022 at 10:12:58 PM

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#9286: May 14th 2022 at 12:12:16 PM

I have my feelings about the entry's phrasing of "Chris went from being childlike to severely mentally ill" but generally it seems worth cutting. People were seeking out unsavory shit about her even before then anyway.

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#9287: May 14th 2022 at 7:14:03 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] The original entry on YMMV.Walking With Dinosaurs was this:

  • Unintentional Period Piece: A subtle case as it is entirely due to Science Marches On, but the show is very much state of the art of dinosaurology in the late '90s. This is specially true for "Death of a Dynasty", which is an indirect listing of various theories about the extinction of the dinosaurs culminating with the asteroid hit. The general feeling of the episode is that dinosaurs were doing bad and the asteroid either made it worse or put them out of their misery, which is smack down between pre-asteroid, pre-Dinosaur Renaissance attitudes ("Dinosaurs were outdated monstrosities doomed to extinction") and current ones ("Dinosaurs were doing alright and would still dominate today if it wasn't for the asteroid"). Another telling point is the bizarre depiction of Quetzalcoatlus as a marine skim feeder, which had just been proposed in 1996 and was debunked a decade later.

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#9288: May 14th 2022 at 8:02:52 PM

[up]Not just that, but "dinosaurology" isn't the proper academic term for "study of dinosaurs." The correct term would be "paleontology" (American) or "palaeontology" (Commonwealth).

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#9289: May 14th 2022 at 8:04:51 PM

Um, actually... Wiktionary disagrees.

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#9290: May 14th 2022 at 8:07:58 PM

[up]Thanks for correcting me. Dinosaurology is indeed a more specific branch of paleontology.

Edited by Nen_desharu on May 14th 2022 at 11:08:32 AM

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#9291: May 14th 2022 at 8:25:11 PM

Huh, I thought it was all called paleontology.

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#9292: May 14th 2022 at 9:10:20 PM

Me too, I just felt the need to check.

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#9293: May 14th 2022 at 9:44:12 PM

(If sharing PMs like this is against the rules, please forgive me)

Hey so uh the guy behind the Unintentional Period Piece rewrite on YMMV.Walking With Dinosaurs just PM'd me regarding me commenting out the rewrite, saying that they meant their edit to be "humorous and informative" regarding dinosaur knowledge. They also implied that making it more objective would be more dry and boring. They also said that Unintentional Period Piece is a YMMV trope, which means that objectivity doesn't matter (which is a good point, but still).

How do I respond to this?

Edited by Wafer on May 14th 2022 at 9:46:08 AM

Guys how cool would it be if Super Megaforce had a green ranger...
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#9294: May 14th 2022 at 9:46:32 PM

(Sharing a PM is only okay if you paraphrase it.)

I would say direct them to Complaining About Shows You Don't Like and explain how we want to avoid snark nowadays.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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Troy Verde
#9295: May 14th 2022 at 9:51:05 PM

Honestly, I don't know how to phrase it very well and also I'm scared that I'll get into an argument with this person somehow...

Guys how cool would it be if Super Megaforce had a green ranger...
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#9296: May 14th 2022 at 9:56:10 PM

We have Clear, Concise, Witty. Also YMMV aren't to be written jokingly or subjectively (that's for JFF and Flame Bait pages), they are for documeting what other viewers think.

Edited by Amonimus on May 14th 2022 at 7:56:40 PM

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#9297: May 14th 2022 at 10:20:20 PM

I PMed them with an explanation on why they shouldn't write examples that way and they concluded their message back to me with an "I think you just misinterpreted it." I don't really know how to paraphrase the rest of the PM specifically, so I'll send a copypaste of it to anyone who asks privately.

I don't know what to do... should I give them a link to this thread?

Edited by Wafer on May 14th 2022 at 10:54:56 AM

Guys how cool would it be if Super Megaforce had a green ranger...
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#9299: May 14th 2022 at 11:12:29 PM

This person just sent me their own (less overly snarky, of course) rewrite, though I don't know if I can send it here because I can't send things from PMs. Should I?

Guys how cool would it be if Super Megaforce had a green ranger...
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#9300: May 14th 2022 at 11:14:00 PM

Can't they come directly to this forum to talk about it with all of us?

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