Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
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and it's set in Toronto's Chinatown.
What many often forget is that Turning Red has a large following among Torontonians (regardless of age, gender, or ethnicity) as well.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Mar 11th 2022 at 4:34:56 AM
Kirby is awesome.Is the hatedom disproportionately American in a way that suggests Values Dissonance? Cuz it seemed to be more related to age and gender (and maybe race) to me.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.I definitely do think a lot of it is "ew, teenage girls and periods are too icky for Disney", rather than anything specifically American flavored.
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By the looks of it, much of Turning Red's detractors are American.
I can identify four main demographics for the film: girls, East Asians (especially Chinese), Canadians (especially Torontonians), and Pixar fans.
The film has numerous Toronto references such as its distinctive streetcars.
Aside from Drake, Scott Pilgrim, and the late Rob Ford, American filmgoers are generally unfamiliar with Toronto.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Mar 11th 2022 at 9:14:27 AM
Kirby is awesome.I mean, America's a massive country. It has a lot of detractors because it has a lot of people- that doesn't mean it's got anything to do with people being American.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI thought people were memeimg on that review and the hatedom was a minority?
Also, I feel like Periphery Hatedom shouldn't even allow examples if Hatedom doesn't.
Eh, neither does Fandom, and Periphery Demographic has examples. It's just because the supertropes are omnipresent reactions.
Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 11th 2022 at 2:12:24 PM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI'm not sure if mentioning white men in particular hate it is really fair either. I don't want the wiki to come across as saying one identity group is less or more cultured than another.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 11th 2022 at 3:57:46 PM
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!I feel I have to stalk The Super Blackwing 1 on the content they write, because a whle ago they wrote a blatantly wrong and complainy entry on Sonic X. I realized they wrote an entry on the analysis page of the same show:
They offered two analysis, and first is a snarky analysis on why the fans hate Chris Thorndyke. I'm afraid this has to be deleted, because a while ago the Analysis Cleanup deleted a similar analysis for SpongeBob SquarePants. Likewise, it's possible this entire entry is plagiarized from somewhere else, as Blackwing plagiarized an old entry on flanderization from "Hated Characters Wiki" (Don't recall the name of the website)
The second entry is about the animation. It's baddly written, and it appears to be taken from a Tumblr post.
Please, do something about it.
Edit: And reading the entries isn't much better. The author is clearly frustrated, using the word "Bloody" for emphasis and using double standards (Cream can be a Damsel in Distress unlike Chris because she is cute and becomes a badass later...even though that applies to Chris too). They likewise constantly write Rouge's name wrong as "Rogue", a detail they did when writing that flanderization entry from before.
The entry is too opinionated and taking multiple shots at the character.
This user only edits in Sonic X, which to me sounds like a Single-Issue Wonk.
Edited by Tomodachi on Mar 12th 2022 at 10:08:57 AM
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.If you want to report a specific person who's causing problems, that's what Ask The Tropers is for.
I'm suspended, I cannot go there. If you could report it there for me, I would highly appreciate it.
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And that's why I'm pointing out the entire page of analysis, and why this specific troper has a story of complainy edits and bad grammar, which to me sounds like a valid reason to remove and alert the mods.
Edited by Tomodachi on Mar 12th 2022 at 1:49:37 AM
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.Fandom-Specific Plot seems to attract a lot of snark and complaining, but the FandomSpecificPlot.Harry Potter subpage really takes the cake. Plenty of examples have some kind of snarky aside about how lore-breaking or Out of Character these plots are. The "Overpowered Harry" section is particularly bad about this (it's right there in the name). Some examples, bolded to highlight this:
Overpowered Harry:
(In better-done takes, Harry must work out who he can trust and what he needs to know in order to save himself before Dumbledore's or Voldemort's plans come to fruition; in more poorly written iterations, Harry effortlessly defangs and counters all opposition, leaving them blinking in stupefaction in his wake.)- Harry’s real name isn’t, well, "Harry." It is Hadrian or Harrison because a worrying number of people agree with Aunt Petunia that "Harry" is a "nasty, common name" unfit for their super-special, superpowered wizard god. Weirdly, it is never "Henry" or "Harold," the two names that have "Harry" as a nickname.
- Harry gained legal adulthood and 'full access' to the Potter vaults and seat(s) on the Wizengamot because he's in the Triwizard Tournament, despite the fact that the Triwizard Tournament has included plenty of underaged students before, just this time the school administrators rigged a external age line to keep them out. These fics explain that Harry's current vaults are a trust fund (usually justified by noting that there is only money in Harry's vault while other families store all sorts of thing in theirs).
- Harry is "Lord Potter," "Lord Black," "Lord Slytherin," and/or "Lord Peverell" (despite it being mentioned multiple times that there is no wizarding nobility). These titles come with multiple hereditary seats on the Wizengamot. Expect the Ministry to be portrayed as much more corrupt in these stories than it is in the books, and because they too hold multiple seats, the Malfoys and any other families are portrayed as evil for doing... exactly what Harry is doing by blungeoning his political opponents with his voting hegemony. A subgenre has Harry discover that he is the Lord and Heir of the Kingdom of Azkaban and that the Ministry owes him several centuries worth of back taxes for using his prison.
- Ron, and often Hermione or Molly (but always Ron) is revealed to have only befriended Harry at Dumbledore's order. The idea of an eleven year old child pulling off this kind of long-term deception is laughable, and if Hermione is included it reaches the far side of the Gambit Roulette, given how her actual friendship with Harry began. Accordingly, Dumbledore is paying Ron (and any others involved) with money embezzled from Harry's own Gringotts account, which would only increase the odds of Harry finding out the truth. Often learned in the future, and then Harry does a Peggy Sue.
Abusive Dursleys
- Occasionally there will be an inversion where Petunia is actually the more abusive and horrible and Vernon will be the more reasonable one — this is usually triggered if Harry returns home wounded and Vernon actually manages a modicum of sympathy and human decency (or much more rarely Vernon somehow grows a conscience or just went along with it for years because he didn't want to upset his wife). Vernon puts a stop to the abuse and in more extreme versions moves Harry and Dudley out of the house to get away from Petunia and Vernon gets both Dudley and Harry training in martial arts and/or firearms, ignoring the fact that Britain had fairly strict firearms laws from 1988 onwards and some of the strictest in the world (you can get 20 years in prison for just pretending to have an illegal gun) from 1997 onwards. The latter is significant because while the HP series technically ends in 1998, fanfic authors frequently update it to the present day.
Can this part of Enforced Plug be made less "Tropes Are Not Good"?
As such, an Enforced Plug will usually be delivered awkwardly or ham-handedly; it tends to kill the show’s momentum (and the viewer’s mood). They’re often delivered at the end of the show or after a very obvious segue. The actors try their best but for the life of them can’t sound genuine in their enthusiasm for the product. The writers might actively resent having to write the plug and try to make it as ridiculous as possible. Parodies are common, but they can run afoul of a variant of Poe's Law; actual Enforced Plugs are often so ridiculous that you can’t tell if it’s a parody or not.
Evony is loaded with snark and complaining about the game’s misleading marketing and it (allegedly) being spyware, with the occasional complaining about the actual gameplay. There is hardly any troping of the game’s contents.
Once Upon A Time.These are, in fact, valid complaints, but if there's not much to say about the game itself, maybe our article on it should be cut or at least locked.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The advertising is still technically tropable. It just needs a massive rewrite. But even some tropes that apply to the gameplay like Easy Communication are super complainy for no reason. You'd think this game killed people or something.
Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 14th 2022 at 5:53:25 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.It invaded this site and many others with predatory ads, so we are a little salty. Our general approach of neutrality shouldn't go so far as to ignore or downplay the horrible ethical problems of a product.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 14th 2022 at 6:04:34 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"We're actually having trouble verifying the "ethical issues" with the game (false advertising aside) because we're not sure if the spyware stuff was verified. Plus, even if the ads are terrible, it reads like people are blowing a mediocre game out of proportion out of pure spite, which is just kind of childish.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.This The Problem with Licensed Games entry is particularly complainy:
- The Problem with Licensed Games: Rather fittingly, the movie's tie-in PSP game was lambasted by critics, and is considered one of the worst Dragon Ball games of all time, attempting to copy the Dragon Ball Z: Budokai series' formula but dumbing it down severely — just like with the movie itself. It attempts to be more loyal to the manga by having Piccolo reveal that Goku is a Saiyan and calling him "Kakarot" without explaining how Piccolo knows this. Interestingly, the game is currently the only one in which you can choose Bulma as a fighter.

Yeah, that sounds much better.
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