Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
Incidentally, I took a look at the Cyberpunk 2077 page and found similar entries on the Crosswick:
- Pacifist Run:
- The developers claim that you can play the entire game without killing a single person. While technically true, this is mostly due to the fact you can make your weapons "non-lethal" with a special mod. You'll still be filling them with large amounts of "non-lethal" lead, especially if said lead comes from their own pistols and knives when you hack them into committing suicide, and (as usual) there's no acknowledgement that blows to the head and blunt force trauma are plenty lethal in their own right. The talking "Skippy" gun pokes fun at the seemingly arbitrary nature of choosing to fight nonlethally, as you're still brutalizing enemies pretty badly either way.
- There are also missions that force you to kill enemies regardless. Panam's mission in particular has the player driving a Hover Tank and killing scores of Nomad outcasts when they attack.
I have not played the game, but extrapolating from the existing entries, how's this for a re-write:
- Cyberpunk 2077: It is possible to go through the game without killing, if not necessarily without fighting, as the game offers multiple ways to neutralize enemies without killing them. Blunt weapons are categorized non-lethal and there are mods you can acquire that remove the lethality from your normal ordinance, meaning that weapons ranging from 4-gauge shotguns to frag grenades will become capable of putting down enemies without killing them. Any missions that require absolutely, definitely blowing up a few dozen people are entirely optional and, at worst, lock you out of select endings. The talking "Skippy" gun pokes fun at the choosing to fight nonlethally, as you're still brutalizing enemies pretty badly either way.
If that works, I'll swap the entries on both pages accordingly.
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 11th 2021 at 9:55:55 AM
From Fallen Creator. Whoever wrote this really, really really doesn't like Michael Eisner, and in any case is a Wall of Text. This entry is on a locked page, so it needs to be sent to the edit requests thread after it is trimmed down to be more neutral.
- Former Disney CEO Michael Eisner is often remembered now as a talentless, soul-sucking hack that "destroyed" the company built by Walt and Roy O. Disney. Few remember that the company had nearly been destroyed by Ron Miller's inept leadership in the early '80s, and that Eisner was brought in by Roy E. Disney after the first "Save Disney" campaign in 1984. Eisner took Disney to the major market force that exists today — returning it to higher-budget films, creating the Touchstone division for adult-oriented material, and pushing for the much-lauded Disney Renaissance that revived animated films after the false start of The Black Cauldron. He believed in Who Framed Roger Rabbit and brought new interest to the golden age of animation, while getting Disney into television animation (resulting in Duck Tales, Darkwing Duck, TaleSpin, Gargoyles, etc.). But when Disney's president Frank Wells died in a helicopter crash just before the release of The Lion King in 1994, long-time studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg expected to be promoted to fill Wells's position. When Eisner refused and forced Katzenberg to resign, he left the studio to found Dreamworks, whose animation arm became a major competitor to Disney's. The promotion of Eisner's friend Michael Ovitz to the position was a disaster that upset most of the shareholders. Disney's new films, shows, and theme parks began to tank one after another in the late '90s and early 2000s — accused of becoming formulaic, obsessed with The Merch, and in the case of the parks outright lazy and cheap, while the old animated films were hit hard by Direct-to-Video Sequelitis. Eisner burned enough bridges that even Pixar was ready to end their long partnership. In the wake of this, Roy E. Disney resigned from the board of directors and started a second "Save Disney" campaign to get rid of Eisner, who resigned under extreme pressure in 2005. It wasn't all doom and gloom for both Disney and Eisner though — Disney, under Bob Iger, rebuilt the bridges with Pixar, among other things, and while his reign as CEO did face several criticisms (most notably the start of Disney Live-Action Remakes), the company as a whole became more financially successful than they had ever been, while Eisner's guest-hosting stint on The Charlie Rose Show not long after his ouster led to him getting a regular talk-show on CNBC; he continues to expand into Internet production and he bought the Topps baseball company. Eisner was also famous for being a control freak. Jerry Bruckheimer initially brought the CSI franchise to ABC/Disney and Eisner rejected him. Eisner also reportedly hated Lost and wanted it canceled despite its success. Reports from the inside even say that Eisner was hard set against both Lost and Desperate Housewives, which were immense hits for ABC in 2004... while pushing his own project, which was basically "Stacy's Mom" by Fountains of Wayne as a sitcom.
YouTube Kids' Channel is really negative. It's like Reddit wrote it.
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Maybe take this to the Fallen Creator cleanup thread
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I'm not sure what positive things there are to say. That content is messed up, to the point that no parent would want their kid to see it. They aren't the same thing as legitimate youtube channels aimed at kids.
I think the scope of the page's issues would need TRS.
Anyway, I tried asking about a meme in the Memetic X cleanup, but that thread is kinda dead. I saw another meme that seems really complainy on YMMV.The Ghost And Molly Mc Gee, so I'll ask about it here.
- Not again... Explanation
Alright, removing it
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Oct 12th 2021 at 10:51:16 AM
My musician pageI honestly don't think YouTube Kids' Channel is even a "trope." I mean, I guess it is a genre? But not sure if it's a really tropeworthy one, as we don't have pages for most of the channels and there's only a very small number of parodies that aren't straight-up discussing the channels.
Man, I'm usually lenient on complainy memes if they're at least actual memes, but that doesn't even sound like a meme at all, just a complaint. Also didn't Word of God say it's not meant to be shippy right now?
YouTube Kids' Channel is seemingly being used as a subgenre/submedium. It's a category, not a trope. At least that's how it ought to be used. Frankly, it seems to be overly narrow and offer no information that can't be easily listed in the description of a work article.
Maybe it should be in Useful Notes if there's historical or explanatory value.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I've gone ahead and swapped out the Cyberpunk 2077 Pacifist Run entries on both trope and work page with my re-write
, citing this thread in edit reasons.
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 12th 2021 at 8:55:44 AM
These were from the Western Animation folder in No-Respect Guy:
- Jackson Jeckyll from Monster High. He's a timid, geeky, genuinely good guy, but he's always treated as the resident Butt-Monkey by every other student (aside from Frankie Stein) just for being the only human (half-human, actually) in a school of monsters. He gets this treatment both by bullies and by students who usually should be nicer characters. Even his other self, Holt Hyde, makes fun of him! This mistreatment issue is often represented, webisodes or movies, as a mere Running Gag. The only time the issue is taken seriously (sort of, they give it up pretty quickly) is in the movie Ghouls Rule, where Jackson is so exasperated that he prefers to stay in the normie school of New Salem (attended by those who vandalized the M.H.) rather than coming back among the monsters. The worst part of all this is that it goes against the moral of tolerance which leads the franchise.
- Gravity Falls has Dipper Pines. Despite being (usually) one of the most down-to-earth characters with some serious insecurities and self-worth issues, he's the butt of nearly every joke from... everyone, really. Though his family usually does it without meaning to. This is juxtaposed with his twin sister Mabel, who's super confident, rarely criticized, and openly loved by everyone. While Mabel's mistakes in the show often come without overly serious consequences (until the finale), Dipper's desperate efforts to prove he's worth being listened to usually all end in horrifying disaster. Even the Big Bad points this out to Mabel at one point, noting how Dipper regularly sacrifices his own happiness in favor of hers and receives little of this courtesy in return from anyone... but in the finale, Mabel is placed in something like a real life sandbox world and promptly forgets this. She creates a "better" and "more supportive" Replacement Goldfish for Dipper called Dippy Fresh, who is nothing like Dipper, and thus whose existence embodies a rejection of the idea that the real Dipper's traits and personality have worth in Mabel's eyes. Mabel eventually chooses to return to reality with her real brother, but this was truly her kicking the dog.
Mabel was shown to be in the wrong in Weirdmageddon 2, with Dippy Fresh being purposefully annoying. Why's it acting like that's not the case?
@ Re: Kid's Channel: I think the issue is that this subgenre of Youtube actually is this narrow and weird. I mean, there's kid's content (Slime, Toy Reviews, G-Rated "horror" content, etc) and there's kid's content, which is always, always, always this bizarre and formatted this specifically. The channels that make them are basically just giant click-farms pumping out videos, and they're insane because all they care about is making money off of inattentive parents. A few years ago, there was a huge scandal because some of these videos contained gore and other super inappropriate things, and they still do.
So, I'm not sure what to do with it. It's definitely a thing and sugar-coating how screwed up they are does a disservice to the actual content.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallDon't think we need to go that far. It's a real genre, if a terrifying one, and it's not like Stonetoss where accurately describing the work risks flamewars due to the author insisting on lying about what it is.
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.Right. It's basically just a giant Subverted Kids' Show... being shown to kids for the clicks. But still tropeworthy as a genre.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallEr, yeah. It's an awful genre, don't get me wrong, but we can't just erase things we don't like. The exceptions were made for things that broke ROCEJ or weren't creative works to begin with. This does neither of that.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI just think it'll be hard to thrive when only a few niche shows seem to be parodying it and we usually don't have pages for works that fit the genre. But it definitely does exist and has a big impact on Youtube. It's just quite new.
Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 12th 2021 at 3:12:18 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.I think the big difference between those youtube kids' channels and practically anything else we trope is that, if they can even be called creative, they aren't made for a human audience. They're made to be picked up by an algorithm.
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Edited by gjjones on Oct 11th 2021 at 12:03:01 PM
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