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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#7051: Sep 9th 2021 at 9:17:15 AM

[up] Here's some potential quotes. Not seeing much there, but Googling "quotes about electronic music" may help us.

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KUnlimited Since: Sep, 2020
#7052: Sep 9th 2021 at 10:27:08 AM

[up] I like the first and fourth ones. Maybe one of these?

[down] Yes, that one.

Edited by KUnlimited on Sep 9th 2021 at 10:58:27 AM

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#7053: Sep 9th 2021 at 10:43:28 AM

The fourth one being this one?

Computers and electronic music are not the opposite of the warm human music. It's exactly the same.

As a producer, I approve.

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Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#7055: Sep 9th 2021 at 11:54:14 AM

Question: What was the first quote?

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
KUnlimited Since: Sep, 2020
#7056: Sep 9th 2021 at 12:12:56 PM

I just remembered there's a page quote thread. I probably should've brought this up there.

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Serac she/her (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
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#7057: Sep 9th 2021 at 2:37:37 PM

[up][up]

"I find it so amazing when people tell me that electronic music has no soul. You can't blame the computer. If there's no soul in the music, it's because nobody put it there."
Björk

Edited by Serac on Sep 9th 2021 at 4:38:41 AM

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#7058: Sep 9th 2021 at 2:39:49 PM

[nja]

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 9th 2021 at 5:39:57 AM

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#7059: Sep 9th 2021 at 2:47:48 PM

That's a beautiful quote!

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
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#7060: Sep 9th 2021 at 3:46:53 PM

I kinda like it better, actually.

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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#7061: Sep 9th 2021 at 6:31:05 PM

Sorry to double post, but this is how the description for Gilligan's Island begins:

Iconic "stupid sitcom" from the 1960s, filled with Idiot Plots, What An Idiot moments galore, a Laugh Track, and a great cast of actors. The show featured seven stereotyped characters — a millionaire, his snobby wife, a famous actress, a farm girl, a college professor, an innocent misfit klutz, and the captain of the charter boat on which all of them had sailed — trapped on a Deserted Island. Their little colony of survivors was usually awash in schemes, alliances, betrayals, and petty manipulations, usually over the most minor of things. Their own foibles and blind spots frequently sabotaged any chance of rescue or escape, and nobody ever seemed to learn anything from their mistakes.

...Wait, did we get mixed up with the article on Survivor? How about Lost? No? Okay, just checking.

This is just blatant complaining. Permission to cut?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 9th 2021 at 9:31:13 AM

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#7062: Sep 9th 2021 at 7:09:34 PM

I still insist that the page description for Little Women is too bashy...even if quotes Louisa May Alcott herself.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#7063: Sep 9th 2021 at 11:00:50 PM

[up][up] I say you go ahead, it reads like one user's opinion.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#7064: Sep 9th 2021 at 11:54:13 PM

Should the first half of this example from The Matrix Resurrections be removed as it seems to be complaining about an unrelated work?:

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#7065: Sep 10th 2021 at 3:54:24 AM

~The Mayor of Simpleton: Umm, yeah, chop-chop that. It's blatant complaining. Not that I think it's wrong necessarily, but it has no place in the description of a work.

~Anddrix: The tone is a little bit off, but it sounds like it fits the definition of the Trivia trope, assuming it's true.

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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#7066: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:32:45 AM

[up] Thanks. I have removed that portion of the description.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#7067: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:48:31 AM

[up][up][up] That just sounds like speculation.

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BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#7068: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:14:53 AM

Looking at the pages for Toddlers & Tiaras, I have to say it warrants a spot in the sandbox; the YMMV and Tear Jerker pages are full of complaining, the Trivia page has two entries complaining about similar shows, and even the main page has at least a little complaining.

BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#7069: Sep 10th 2021 at 10:07:27 AM

Also, the Western Animation page features this entry:

  • SpongeBob SquarePants:
    • Patrick is completely absent throughout the infamous "A Pal for Gary", given all the torment Gary suffers and SpongeBob doing nothing about it and scolding him for being mean to his "pal", all because he ignored the seller's warning that the creature hates other animals.
Strange wording aside, it seems to be "character is absent from hated episode", not "character is absent from dark episode".

MrMediaGuy2 Since: Jun, 2015
#7070: Sep 10th 2021 at 10:13:56 AM

[up] The episode was still clearly meant to be a funny one (even if it failed), so it's not an example of Shoo Out the Clowns.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#7071: Sep 10th 2021 at 11:16:50 AM

Not to mention Patrick stars in another episode that's hated for almost identical reasons. Plus he's absent from many episodes, it isn't notable.

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BrianKT Since: Jan, 2020
#7072: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:54:29 PM

Here's something I would like to address on My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S9 E24 "The Ending of the End – Part 1"

  • Fan-Disliked Explanation: Grogar revealed to actually be Discord in disguise, with the whole Legion of Doom thing merely being a Batman Gambit/False Flag Operation to give Twilight Sparkle a confidence boost. This drew a lot of ire from fans, as it not only pulled the rug out from under viewers who were actually happy to see Grogar in the show and had been looking forward to him, but it also throws Discord a big Idiot Ball with the reveal that he united several major villains (and two of them were ones imprisoned that he set free) and convinced them to work together to be a more dangerous threat to Equestria, which backfired horribly. He also did all this specifically so they could attack Equestria and Twilight could defeat them, as he thought it would boost her confidence, when he could have done this to try and reform them himself. That Discord was so easily outsmarted by the Mean Three and caught off guard and depowered without a struggle makes him look even more incompetent.

But here's an entry I added to the trivia page based on what I've researched.

  • Word of God: According to series director, Jim Miller, The Reveal of Discord impersonating Grogar and forming the Legion of Doom to boost Twilight's confidence was planned from the beginning, as they wanted Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy Glow to be the Big Bad Triumvirate of the series finale because they had more of a connection to the Mane Cast.

Plus, the whole You Have Outlived Your Usefulness trope has already been done twice on the show, so a third time of it, if the real Grogar was the Big Bad, would've been redundant, so they decided to try The Starscream trope for a change. And it's, at least in my opinion, a cleaver way to deconstruct Discord's Trickster Mentor methods, and create the new conflict of Twilight and her friends dealing with a Villain Team-Up in the series finale.

Edited by BrianKT on Sep 11th 2021 at 10:20:00 AM

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#7073: Sep 10th 2021 at 8:03:48 PM

That doesn't sound complainy though? It's a very common complaint, so much so that many fans turned on Discord completely because of it.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#7074: Sep 11th 2021 at 3:40:31 AM

Indeed, it is a very common, and I think justified, complaint about the plot twist.

Also, I have my doubts about just how early they came up with that idea. Grogar's first appearance seems to suggest that he was indeed going to be the Bigger Bad, which is probably part of why so many were disappointed when he turned out to be Discord. Also, there was no foreshadowing whatsoever before the finale.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#7075: Sep 11th 2021 at 5:18:36 AM

Whether it's justifiable or not is besides the point. If it's common enough is what matters. (Judging from this site alone it appears to be, FWIW.)


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