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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6676: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:23:31 PM

The only complaining I see is "thus fixing the Tastes Like Diabetes problem that some people have with the series" and that's very mild as far as complaining goes.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#6677: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:28:58 PM

Ok I see.

I want to chainsaw that Mr Enter thing but I dont know how we could without the tropers crying "CENSORSHIP!!!"

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Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
#6678: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:13:36 PM

If tropers claim censorship for removing ROCEJ violations and other RL troping, I don't think they're the type of person we want around tbh.

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#6679: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:20:37 PM

I like the way you think. I agree.

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#6681: Jul 30th 2021 at 1:15:57 PM

Found this on Tropes A to G. Bolded the suspicious parts.

  • All Crimes Are Equal: A very frequent criticism of the show.
    • All too often, Eddy's antics will net Ed and Edd the same punishment/retribution, no matter if they were unwitting accessories or if they tried to stop him. This is a major reason why some fans don't like the other kids.

There are three other examples attached to All Crimes Are Equal, but those seemed fine. I don't think that we should include criticisms on the main page.

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#6682: Jul 30th 2021 at 1:30:24 PM

Remove the bolded parts, the second sentence is talking about a fan reception that has no place in the main article.

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RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
#6683: Jul 30th 2021 at 1:46:18 PM

Regarding Warp That Aesop, should we even allow that for reviewers? It seems pretty close to troping real people.

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#6684: Jul 30th 2021 at 2:04:48 PM

It IS troping real people.

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#6685: Jul 30th 2021 at 5:46:38 PM

From the description of The Nutcracker in 3D:

Due to its bad story, deviations from the ballet, awful performances, creepy-ass visuals, and the rats' similarities to Nazis, it was universally panned by critics (scoring a goose egg on Rotten Tomatoes) and was a Box-Office Bomb ($16m against a $90m budget).

Complaining, reception in description. Seems like an easy cut I assume?

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#6686: Jul 30th 2021 at 5:54:11 PM

Easy cut indeed.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#6688: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:41:29 PM

I understand My Immortal has a reputation for being memeticly awful, but its entry on CrapsackWorld.Fan Works seems to cross the line on complaining.

There's a world in the realm of Fan Fiction where daring to like what you wish to can result in torture, where ideology can get you imprisoned with guards who are Mind Rape incarnate, where pedophiles are allowed to be teachers, and where you can get away scot-free for murdering someone who asked you to quiet down in the movie theater. In this world, students are tortured, reason seems to have fled, and whatever choice you make on ideology, you are doomed to become reviled, except if you fill some completely arbitrary criteria. What is this horrific world? It's My Immortal, widely considered the worst fanfic ever written.

Cave Johnson, we're done here.
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#6689: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:43:16 PM

Yeah, that can go. My Immortal's universe isn't portrayed as being horrible in the fic itself, so it's misuse anyway.

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#6690: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:49:11 PM

There is another piece of evidence that Faniction receives more complaining but it goes almost unnoticed. Also looking at The Prayer Warriors more the character and main pages are even worse as it often describes stuff the audience reacts to rather than what was intended in the universe, which is also a common problem with these bad works.

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#6691: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:52:42 PM

Ordeaux, I'm gonna be honest, this is veering a bit into Single-Issue Wonk territory. These are two fanfics that attract complaining. Why is that evidence we should focus more on fanfic than other works? Why not just take every work that attracts complaining on a case by case basis?

If there's any increased risk, I'd say it's for A) works aimed at children and B) works made on or related to the Internet.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 30th 2021 at 9:57:52 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#6692: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:53:31 PM

Listen Ordeaux, if you want to prove this, you need a sample that represents the entire namespace. Like a medium-specific wick-check (that's about 98 pages, as the Fanfic/ namespace has 9442 pages total). Then you'd need to compare it to the other popular namespaces. Otherwise you're basing your entire argument off two infamous works. I can make the exact same argument for Western Animation/ by citing Titanic: The Legend Goes On and The Nutshack.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 30th 2021 at 9:56:15 AM

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#6693: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:01:36 PM

I do understand what you are saying there but I don't see how I would go about doing that. I am more worried that these issues aren't brought up more because of how obscure many fanfics are, I am not saying we should focus it on more but the problem is that complaining cleanups on fanfics don't really happen at all.

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#6694: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:03:03 PM

But you're just assuming this is true with no evidence, based on two fanfics. And these two fics aren't even obscure ones.

If anything the issue with fanfics is that they're often written by people who don't understand the site's rules or standards, similar to the RP pages.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6695: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:10:25 PM

[up] Which, ironically, leads to gushing more than complaining, due to Auto-Erotic Troping.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6696: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:12:58 PM

I wonder If maybe a general fanfiction cleanup thread might be needed. For now, I will just focus on cleaning up complaining on The Prayer Warriors specifically.

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#6698: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:14:16 PM

Oh I wasn't aware doesn't seem very active so probably why.

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#6699: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:28:56 PM

So, uh... I don't know where else to post this, but Chris-chan recently did something... very not good and I'm wondering if the impending shitstorm should be addressed.

Seeing how the pages for Sonichu are locked should we do a wick check and keep an eye out for any potential future mentions of them (if any brave souls would be willing to)?

Edited by SpongeBat1 on Jul 30th 2021 at 9:30:49 AM

Came for the tropes, stayed for the cleanup.
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#6700: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:30:07 PM

Her page is locked I think, so unless people spread it to other pages we should be fine.

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