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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6651: Jul 29th 2021 at 2:40:59 PM

Decided to take a look through The Prayer Warriors to analyze the sheer volume of complaining. The problem with this fic is that it is so bad that a lot of these are talking about genuine problems people have with the story, so I need some more opinions.

  • Anvilicious: Disagree with the author about anything? DIE. The stories aren't at all subtle about this message. I have no idea what to do with this one.
  • Bile Fascination: Really, the only reason why most people would even read this fic. The "heroes" are unheroic, the author holds insane beliefs, and there are multiple grammar and spelling errors to boot. But then, that is why this fic is even read in the first place. Probably can be lessened.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: There's an extraordinarily pointless moment in Threat of Satanic Commonism where a guy appears out of nowhere and rapes Ebony, so Percy then promptly kills her for being Defiled Forever. This wouldn't be a BLAM if Ebony didn't show up alive and well in that very same chapter, making the whole thing come across as just rape for the sake of rape. Probably can be lessened.
  • Critical Research Failure: Aside from those listed in Artistic License – Religion and Artistic License – History, the series has made many, many errors otherwise. Alot of these are very excessive in terms of detail.
    • Some of the errors are from the author not bothering to read or watch the source materials; for instance, in The Evil Gods I, it's said that Zeus was Percy Jackson's father, rather than Poseidon. In The Prayer Ponies, Rainbow Dash is presented as male, Cutie Marks are always called "the marks on their butts," and Celestia's name is misspelled in at least two separate ways.
    • In Threat of Satanic Commonism, the Rika and Books that are featured are male when they're really female. This might have been a good thing considering the author views women as subhuman entities.
    • Evil Gods II has some Artistic License with US Government: when a president dies (and then comes back and quickly thrown in jail for rigging the election and being Kenyan), the candidate who ran against him in the last election (John McCain) becomes president rather than the vice president getting promoted.
    • St. George was apparently a demon. Despite being a saint. It's somewhat more understandable, though, if you consider that he's the patron saint of England, which the author seems to consider an evil country for, among other reasons, Henry VIII cutting ties with the Roman Catholic Church and for being the host to Hogwarts.
      • This isn't helped by Hogwarts technically being in Scotland.
  • Designated Hero: Our "heroes" are self-righteous, racist, homophobic, misogynistic mass-murderers who made Stalin look sympathetic in universe. They are never seen doing anything positive let alone anything heroic. We never see them feeding the poor, healing the sick, or even stopping to Pet the Dog. They get rid of the "villains," and make everyone convert to Christianity, but the Satanists were actually better people than the Prayer Warriors were, and the conversions are almost all coerced thanks to our heroes' policy of killing those who refuse. This is very excessive in terms of detail.
  • Designated Villain: Most of the villains are this, since their "crimes" are often things many people would consider harmless, or simply not choosing to follow the Prayer Warriors' murderous ideology. One interesting example is how Percy Jackson does nothing evil while on the side of the villains, but one of his first acts after converting is to stone Tyson to death for refusing to convert. It's easier to list the exceptions, such as Jupiter, rather than the straight examples. This is very excessive in terms of detail.
  • Esoteric Happy Ending: Satan is defeated, but the United States is now an oppressive theocracy (and in the later installments, England, Ireland and other countries seem to be following suit), Harry Potter has been killed while Voldemort is still on the loose, and a very unpopular Tsar has been restored to the throne, messing up history. Um...yay? This is very excessive in terms of detail.

These are just a few.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jul 29th 2021 at 2:43:31 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#6652: Jul 29th 2021 at 2:44:30 PM

It is, but it is still a shoehorn just to complain about kids wishing for kids stuff.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6653: Jul 29th 2021 at 3:21:07 PM

What An Idiot feels like Idiot Ball but more complainy to me. I wouldn't miss it.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#6654: Jul 29th 2021 at 3:23:26 PM

[up] I'm working on a wick-check that, in part, exists to find overlap. It's at Idiot Ball Wick Check. Join in if you want.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6655: Jul 29th 2021 at 3:24:11 PM

I guess that makes sense. Anyway could I get some opinions on The Prayer Warriors.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#6656: Jul 29th 2021 at 3:52:06 PM

From NeverTrustATrailer.Live Action Films:

  • Revenge of the Sith had a trailer that showed shots of Darth Vader in his iconic costume, and showed what appeared to be various characters reacting to it (R2-D2 beeping wildly, Padme looking nervous, etc.). The trailer made many audiences think that the costumed Vader would have a large role in the movie itself. In fact, Anakin doesn't get armored up as Vader until the last few minutes of the movie; he interacts with none of the other characters except for Palpatine, and rather than being menacing, Vader shouts a wimpy "Noooo!" that quickly went into Internet meme history as one of the most laughable moments in film. (Many audiences laughed at this scene even in the theatre.) There perhaps has never been a greater gulf between what a trailer promised and what the movie actually delivered.

The latter part of the entry is rather complainy.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#6657: Jul 29th 2021 at 3:55:40 PM

Hmm, I dunno. The fact that "armored Vader" not only barely shows up, but is less than menacing when he does, does seem like a relevant part of how the trailer misled people. But on the other hand, I do feel like that goes way overboard in complaining about it.

The last sentence can definitely be cut.

Edited by nrjxll on Jul 29th 2021 at 5:56:04 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6658: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:03:14 PM

I think it's fine up to "he interacts with none of the other characters except for Palpatine." The "wimpy NO" thing can be cut or reworded to something like "he doesn't pose much of a threat in the story."

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#6659: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:26:58 PM

Agreed with nrjxll, the last sentence can go.

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6660: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:39:11 PM

Yeah, that last sentence can go.

Apparently, my concerns about complaining on Fanfiction pages and The Prayer Warriors will be ignored forever.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6661: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:49:05 PM

[up] We've answered your issues with Fanfiction pages both on ATT and in this thread — specifically that it's not just Fanfiction pages with this problem. As for the specific page, I'm not familiar with the fic, I'd have to take a closer look myself. You can probably go with your gut though.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 29th 2021 at 7:49:24 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6662: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:53:52 PM

I do still feel people don't get the idea of how much of a problem complaining is on fanfic pages and I was trying to demonstrate that through The Prayer Warriors I mean yeah I probably could do a cleanup but it will be ready tricky.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#6663: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:56:44 PM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/LucasTheSpider

There is plenty of complainin and negativity in this one.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6664: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:57:15 PM

I still don't see an argument for why fanfic pages are any worse off than other pages. In fact, other pages tend to attract more mainstream attention so I'd argue they attract more complaining than fanfics, which tend to be more niche.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6665: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:00:36 PM

It means people can complain as much as they want without anyone noticing, I am trying to demonstrate this by showing a fic and how the YMMV page is nothing but complaining.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6666: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:03:24 PM

You're trying to prove that fanfic pages receive more complaining than any other page by focusing on a single work page?

I mean, I'd gladly help you clean up that page if I had the time, but you seem narrowly focused on that one page as if it's worse than all the other pages on the wiki.

Also apparently this particular series is a Troll Fic so I assume it's supposed to attract Bile Fascination.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 29th 2021 at 8:04:38 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#6667: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:06:05 PM

Uh WarpThatAesop.Web Original is pretty bad, even by Darth Wiki standards. Take for example the Mr. Enter section (and I don't even like him, mind you):

  • The Mysterious Mr. Enter:
    • Cartoons are Serious Business.
    • Cartoons must be as stale and inoffensive or sickening sweet and tear-jerking as possible. If one person acts like a jerk, then "Worst. Series. Ever!" Everything should just pander to the mainstream.
    • Cartoons should be deep, meaningful and teach important life lessons. Any show's formula focusing chiefly on comedy deserve to be hated.
    • People who review cartoons on the internet are always right and should be worshiped.
    • The "Homer Badman" review: All rape accusations against celebrities are false; rape accusers are just petty opportunists and accused celebrities are innocent victims Convicted by Public Opinion.
    • Using blatant straw man arguments to vilify and generalize your political opponents is wrong... but only if you're a liberal. Center-right libertarians, on the other hand, are allowed to do so all they want!
    • Comedy shows are never allowed to tackle serious topics. Either you're a comedy show or you're not, and must remain in that field at all times, no matter how one-note and repetitive it'll get.
      • Don't ever experiment with different ideas or expand your creativity. Why? Because an angry man not working in the cartoon industry said so, and he obviously knows best what everyone else wants.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6668: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:08:24 PM

[up] The problem is a lot of that page isn't distorting fictional stories with aesops, but distorting the opinions of other people. And not in a way that sounds playful. If nothing else, the bit about his political beliefs should go and I say that even though I kind of agree with the basic criticism.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6669: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:09:34 PM

[up][up][up] That is a bit weird much like My Immortal nobody knows for sure if it is a Troll Fic though many suspect it is.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jul 29th 2021 at 5:09:44 AM

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#6670: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:46:37 PM

God I too despise Mr Enter but GOD THAT IS BAD.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
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#6671: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:51:58 PM

This

It honestly doesn't look that bad unless I'm missing something.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#6672: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:52:43 PM

[up] Yeah, I see nothing wrong there...

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#6673: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:57:03 PM

  • Angst? What Angst?: Many people were wondering how Lucas would react to finding out that spiders normally eat flies after meeting Bzzt. When told to his face, he doesn't seem to care that much, only being mildly grossed out.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: The moth that was first teased as a pupa in "What is This?" could have made a great mature adult to play off of Lucas and Bzzt's childishness, thus fixing the Tastes Like Diabetes problem that some people have with the series. The moth has absolutely zero dialogue in the next episode, and disappears completely in the episode following that.

Ok Ok. It wasnt that bad. I admit it.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#6674: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:01:43 PM

The first one seems fine unless I'm missing something.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#6675: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:02:40 PM

Oh. Nevermind then. Sorry for the interruption.

EDIT: I will however explain what I felt was wrong. The page seems to dislike the preschool show not being aimed at adults. But it seems its just me reading too much into things.

Edited by AegisP on Jul 29th 2021 at 6:04:01 AM

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.

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