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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#6377: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:14:15 AM

Dingo Pictures has this section:

Some traits of Dingo Pictures cartoons:'

  • Crude and simplistic animation that looks like it was produced very cheaply.
  • Most of them only have a handful of voice actors. In some cartoons, there's only one voice actor. This is, however, strangely not the case in some of the French and Greek versions, which have excellent voice acting.
  • The dubs (the English ones, at least) appear to have been recorded in one take, with many flubs and errors left intact.
  • Nonsensical and barely-comprehensible dialogue.
  • A brief musical theme plays through the entire film nonstop, often loudly. It even plays over other music pieces, and sometimes, over itself.
  • Numerous characters often start laughing randomly and silently, usually represented by two frames of animation of a head bobbing up and down.
  • Dingo Pictures cartoons are based on Disney or Pixar (or other famous) cartoons or public domain stories with which Disney has made adaptations.
  • Most of the animal characters are recycled from cartoon to cartoon. Same for bases of human characters.
  • They also recycle the backgrounds and background music a lot.
  • The frequent use of profanity, such as "hell", "damn", and "Rubbish".

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#6378: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:15:04 AM

I mean, literally none of that is inaccurate or exaggerated, but maybe it doesn't need to be brought up?

BTW, I started the Cliche Storm Wick Check. So far the results are...surprising, but maybe the 30 last wicks will change the tide.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 1st 2021 at 2:15:43 PM

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RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
#6379: Jul 1st 2021 at 12:18:02 PM

Does there need to be a section for common traits on a creator page? That's supposed to go under the trope section.

ejmenendez Since: May, 2015
#6380: Jul 1st 2021 at 3:08:47 PM

I found this on Jerkass Realization:

Is the last sentence really necessary? On one hand it does make sense, why did Rocko just not hand over the invitation next door? But on the other that's not what the narrative was going for and it seems more like a sentence nitpicking about how the plot worked.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#6381: Jul 1st 2021 at 4:45:10 PM

[up]Remove the last sentence. In addition, potholing YMMV items like Fridge Logic on non-YMMV pages (aside from in-universe examples) like Jerkass Realization is against the rules, per What Goes Where on the Wiki.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 1st 2021 at 6:46:13 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
nanakiro Since: Feb, 2011
#6382: Jul 3rd 2021 at 6:44:12 AM

Are the DC comic run pages on the list? Because there seems to be a lot of article complaining concerning New 52. From the Author's Saving Throw entry on YMMV.Deathstroke Rebirth, for example:

  • In fact, the series seems to retcon all of the Wilsons' New 52 history away. To say people won't miss it is an understatement, considering some writers couldn't even get certain characters' names right, let alone their backstories and motivations. And of course none of the New 52 stuff was ever consistent between the different writers.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#6383: Jul 3rd 2021 at 7:53:05 PM

The New 52 is widely (though not universally) regarded as a company-wide Dork Age. It certainly belongs on the sandbox.

RainbowPumpqueen R A T (she/her) from Kalos Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
R A T (she/her)
#6384: Jul 4th 2021 at 1:34:45 AM

There's this on YMMV.Black Canary:

  • Romantic Plot Tumor: Green Arrow and Black Canary's marriage felt very forced to many fans. After leaving the Birds of Prey, Dinah got a miniseries that was supposed to be about her new role as Sin's legal guardian, but in-practice was a lead-in to their then-upcoming marriage, followed by several years of her playing ineffectual sidekick to Ollie in what was supposed to be their shared title. Their relationship became a sour point for many fans because of how it effected her character growth.
    • One frustrating problem with the relationship is it is often only to Oliver's benefit, not Dinah's. Oliver's book by-and-large does better when Dinah is around; stories and runs set when they're broken up have rarely faired as well, and the most iconic and successful Green Arrow stories have generally been when he's paired up with her (with the exception of Year One and Lemire's run). Dinah though, thanks to the Birds of Prey (which started life as more-or-less a Black Canary book with Oracle as a supporting character) has demonstrated she can have an lengthy run without Oliver at all, and tends to go through much more character development when he's not around. For some, it can look like her relationship with Oliver holds her back.


I feel like the second bullet would better fit Badass Decay because it just talks about BC being dumbed down, not about how the romance gets in the way. It does feel weirdly complainy though. The YMMV page might be cut anyway because ComicBook.Black Canary was moved to Characters.Green Arrow Black Canary, but I feel like I still need to do something with this for the time being.

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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#6386: Jul 4th 2021 at 11:08:04 AM

Given the controversies and potential complaining surrounding Anime.Neon Genesis Evangelion and Anime.Rebuild Of Evangelion, do you think they should be added to the sandbox or is it unnecessary at this point?

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#6387: Jul 4th 2021 at 12:02:47 PM

[up] Depends. How much complaining is currently on the pages?

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#6388: Jul 4th 2021 at 12:36:36 PM

[up] Hmm, for starters, maybe we can check out the YMMV pages and main page to see if there's any complaining.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#6389: Jul 4th 2021 at 1:08:39 PM

Bringing up Creator.Four Kids Entertainment again since any changes would likely require a major overhaul.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 4th 2021 at 1:08:54 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#6390: Jul 4th 2021 at 1:21:23 PM

The description for Unrequited Tragic Maiden comes off as needlessly wanky in tone. All of these are accurate descriptions of things that Fan Dumb will engage in, but it doesn't need to be so charged.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#6391: Jul 4th 2021 at 4:18:06 PM

StockParodyJokes.Video Games is full of straight-up complaining about games without even explaining how this complaining works its way into parodies. (Then again the entire Stock Parody Jokes item has a problem where people don't really explain how the joke appears in parodies.)

I mentioned this in the Stock Parody Jokes cleanup but it's low on activity.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#6392: Jul 4th 2021 at 9:48:53 PM

There's this paragraph in Konami's folder in ScrewedByTheNetwork.Video Games. Featuring two inappropriate potholes to tropes.

When it comes to self-sabotage and mismanagement in the video game industry, Konami has a track record that would put even EA and Capcom to shame. If you want to know how bad their perception among gamers has become, just ask Jim Sterling, who gave a good look not only into a lot of their worst practices between around 2011 to early 2015, but also why it's not surprising that they would be so quick to screw over everyone working for them completely burn bridges over extremely minor slights.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jul 4th 2021 at 1:51:06 PM

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!
Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#6394: Jul 5th 2021 at 1:32:43 AM

I am cutting the traits section from Dingo Pictures.

Also, do creator pages get drinking games?

Edited by Delibirda on Jul 5th 2021 at 10:36:55 AM

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
ejmenendez Since: May, 2015
#6395: Jul 5th 2021 at 5:57:37 AM

I think the Countdown to Final Crisis needs to be put on the Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining page, as both the main page and YMMV page have some pretty bad bashing, with the former having a bashy title caption under the image.

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#6397: Jul 5th 2021 at 9:41:31 AM

Re: Creator Drinking Games

We do have a Drinking Game cleanup thread, but that's inactive. Wouldn't hurt to ask, though.

TheRandomSurfboard from Earth Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#6398: Jul 5th 2021 at 3:46:51 PM

Found a suspicious remark on asdfmovie's YMMV that I highlighted in bold

  • Replacement Scrappy: While the Waffle in asdfmovie12 isn't necessarily hated, per se, him serving almost the exact same role as one of the series' most popular characters, Mr. Muffin, only replacing suicidal tendencies with brain damage, left many fans disappointed, to say the least. He was quickly retired after only two scenes... so far.

RainbowPumpqueen R A T (she/her) from Kalos Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
R A T (she/her)
#6399: Jul 6th 2021 at 2:40:02 AM

[up] I don't think the bolded part is really necessary. It feels like it's being paranoid about the waffle becoming a Creator's Pet, which is unlikely because the waffle hasn't appeared since ASDFmovie 12.


Found this old entry on AndTheFandomRejoiced.Young Justice relating to season 3 that feels like an excuse to complain about Barbara Gordon's treatment by DC:

  • Hey it's Nightwing, but who is he talking to? Did-did he say "Oracle"?! YES! We're getting Oracle for a whole season, instead of one episode of The Batman and a stinger for those who kept watching "The Killing Joke" after the unrelated, unneeded prequel no one asked for.

I know ATFR is subjective and this isn't relevant anymore anyway (season 3 came out in 2019), but I feel like this needs a re-write.

Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Jul 6th 2021 at 7:15:24 PM

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TheRandomSurfboard from Earth Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#6400: Jul 6th 2021 at 10:50:48 AM

[up] Just nixed that remark. That Young Justice example definitely needs a re write, as it's not only complainy, but also is a little weird to read


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