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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#6326: Jun 25th 2021 at 12:34:06 PM

[up][up]Maybe we should send it to the club.

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#6327: Jun 25th 2021 at 9:46:07 PM

Sweet Jesus, I had a headache when I sawn this in Trivia.Girls Frontline.

  • Troubled Production: Note that most of the following information is sourced from second-hand accounts, as almost all of them happened in Chinese social media, so take it with a grain of salt.
    • The first CN beta testing phase experienced an unplanned downtime due to server overload. Reportedly, this was the catalyst that severed the partnership between Yuzhong (head of MICA Team) and Yao Meng (head of the now-defunct Array Networks, now holds a position in Yostar), with both sides slinging accusations of incompetence at each other over social media. This has sparked a very bitter rivalry between them and some fans.
    • The botched Japanese release schedule, which is detailed under What Could Have Been below.
    • The global release was hampered due to the sketchy practices of the ad agency Mica hired for Western audiences, using stills from other games (such as NieR: Automata) and stolen artwork (including the infamous "Agent 47 holding WA2000" one), leading viewers to see the game as yet another softcore hentai game or full of stolen assets. Word of mouth and a surge in fanart over Western imageboards worked, but Mica has since then been very wary about advertising Girls' Frontline to Western players, with ads only starting to ramp up two years after the English release, and primarily through the medium of ads appearing while playing other mobile games.
    • Numerous instances of drama involving artists, ranging from fans being dicks (DYJ leaving the art community and social networks after fans accused him of hogging the alternate skin spots for Springfield and WA2000; he later came back to draw Team DEFY, but lays very low on social media), unfortunate circumstances (NIXOO being ran over by a car and still managing to finish HK416's anniversary dress while in the hospital), old rivalries heating up (Rei [artist for Lee-Enfield] quitting upon learning Nishihara [artist for Contender] was hired, due to Pixiv-related squabbles), plagiarism (SKY, the artist of Micro Uzi, ARX160 and KS-23, being on the receiving end of a plagiarism case unrelated to Girls' Frontline), inflated egos (Kishiyo leaving in a huff after learning that Type 95's VA wouldn't be the one he wanted and being told to deal with it by Mica's higher-ups, with some accusations of Same Face Syndrome by Suisai [hypocritical considering he has similar issues] that aren't helped by how similar Kishiyo's later designs for Azur Lane, particularly Choukai, are to his design for this game's Type 95), artists being overall awful people (Horimori [artist for PPK] convincing a fan to let her stay at his place for a while, trashing the place before disappearing; Horimori claims however that said fan sweet-talked her into moving in before bumping into his girlfriend) to outright slander (Suisai claiming that Yuzhong hired his incompetent cousin as middle management and bought himself a Ferrari with company money, while the rest of the employees only got Starbucks gift cards due to said cousin running the company into the ground, which is refuted by other MICA Team staff). Some of these resulted in certain illustrators refusing to work, or being barred from working, on Girls' Frontline again.
      • Suisai is a very infamous figure in the whole gacha industry for these and other incidents, with suspicions he used his founding artist position to his advantage (considering a number of his creations had their own subplot going, making his own sameface problems rather clear), and as already mentioned above, it's possible that he might have had a hand in the Kishiyo incident. Even his departure was troublesome, as upon finding out that MICA was going to restructure to be more of a proper company, he Rage Quit, leaving some spiteful posts, which in turn caused another MICA developer to spill some private details on the development of the Bakery Girl remake (becoming more like XCOM: Enemy Unknown), this in turn would spark Yuzhong to fire both and some other behind the scenes stuff.
    • The whole debacle involving Deadpapillo, a writer Mica contracted to write the 2016 Halloween event script as well as paid fanfiction. Deadpapillo was let go after negative player feedback about said script and went low until Anime Expo 2018 in Los Angeles, where he gave an interview to Gamepress while posing as a Mica representative. Mica quickly warned Gamepress that he faked his credentials and started digging only to find out his many other shenanigans, including using his false position at Mica to sexually harass female players, sexist comments on social media, plagiarizing other fanfiction and promoting a very controversial hentai doujin about Kar98k and Negev in Auschwitz, causing them to promptly cut him off for good and issue an official communication about the situation, leading Gamepress to also apologize for not double-checking their sources.
    • MICA Team originally had more ambitious plans for the ending of the Polarized Light event, but the COVID-19 outbreak set back a lot of their efforts, resulting in what's detailed in What Could Have Been below.
    • The official reason for the lack of costumes on recurring story characters (AR Team and 404, minus AR-15's Literary Girl outfit) was that the developers didn't want to give them anything new unless it was something related to a significant story event. With the release of both groups' 4th anniversary dresses and the Rabbit Wonderland set of costumes, it's been revealed that every single one was illustrated by a different artist (two in M4A1's case), so one can only assume some internal squabbling was the real reason for their lack of costumes. This is support by news that their then-current artist Infukun had quit MICA at some point (albeit unlike most examples above, Infunkun's departure was smooth and left him in good terms with Mica).

Eh, good enough.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#6328: Jun 25th 2021 at 10:58:04 PM

That doesn't actually immediately strike me as overly negative, although that may be just because it's so tedious to read that I can't immediately detect it taking sides in any of those issues.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#6330: Jun 26th 2021 at 6:40:13 AM

On Shockingly Expensive Bill:

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#6331: Jun 26th 2021 at 7:05:21 AM

[up] That's a borderline ZCE on top of being complain-y. I think it can safely be cut.

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#6332: Jun 26th 2021 at 8:21:29 AM

I used to find that commercial hilarious. I could expand it into a valid inversion example.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#6333: Jun 26th 2021 at 8:28:12 AM

[up] It's already cut, but we can readd it if expanded.

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
HeavyMetalHermitCrab Since: Sep, 2018
#6335: Jun 26th 2021 at 12:11:08 PM

I read the Girls Frontline thing, and I'm not convinced it needs editing for negativity in the usual way.

That said, the entry comes off as less explaining why this game was a Troubled Production, and more gossip about various pissing matches within the production team. I never got the impression that the production itself was ever threatened to a significant degree, which makes me wonder why this qualifies for the trope.

No production ever goes completely smoothly; these just happened to be especially public cases of infighting.

Moreover, considering the fact that it's mostly sourced from social media posts, it's not a stretch to assume that at least some of the reported events are exaggerated or outright fabricated.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#6336: Jun 26th 2021 at 1:18:38 PM

Trivia.Dragonball Evolution

Is this shoehorned complaining?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jun 26th 2021 at 5:18:51 AM

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#6337: Jun 26th 2021 at 1:24:06 PM

Yasssssssssssssssssssssss!

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#6338: Jun 26th 2021 at 1:26:55 PM

I'm unhappy with Undermined By Reality because it's half "cliché work had a message about uniqueness" and half Overshadowed by Controversy clone.

Edited by NitroIndigo on Jun 26th 2021 at 9:27:15 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#6339: Jun 26th 2021 at 2:56:16 PM

[up][up][up][up] So, what examples should I trim?

Eh, good enough.
PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#6340: Jun 26th 2021 at 3:18:10 PM

YMMV.Super Monkey Ball

This seems awfully complain-y, tries to shoehorn Replacement Scrappy onto a soundtrack, and has a chained sinkhole at the end. Not to mention no comment on the new songs, just seems to be complaining about the old ones being reused.

Also, wasn't Banana Blitz's original soundtrack derided and remixed from Touch & Roll?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jun 26th 2021 at 7:21:40 AM

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#6341: Jun 26th 2021 at 6:56:07 PM

From How It Should Have Ended:

  • Cringe Comedy: The way HISHE version of the characters pointing out idiot plot, taking a third option, or doing things that essentially shortened movies' plot to get Golden Ending tend to be forcibly patronizing that result in this. If you watch other YouTubers' reaction to HISHE videos in their own channels, several of them tend to cringe at HISHE videos, if not outright reacting in less dignified way.

This seems like complaining, and not an example of something happening within the work.

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#6342: Jun 26th 2021 at 6:58:27 PM

Yeah that's misusing Cringe Comedy.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#6343: Jun 26th 2021 at 9:49:29 PM

I'm not saying this example on PBS Kids is necessarily complaining, but it seems like a misuse:

  • Narm: PBS announcing no longer airing reruns of Caillou treated it like a bad thing, while the show's hatedom, by then a Vocal Minority, actually celebrated the show being gone.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6344: Jun 26th 2021 at 10:03:58 PM

I don't think that is an example even if not complaining since it's not something the audience found funny but exciting.

[down] That as well.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 26th 2021 at 10:07:50 AM

NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#6345: Jun 26th 2021 at 10:07:12 PM

Narm is for things that were intended to be serious, and is on No Real Life Examples.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#6346: Jun 26th 2021 at 10:16:44 PM

I assume they mean the advertising itself, though it still doesn't really count... though the whole "How to tell a child their favorite show is gone" pamphlets were admittedly amusing.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6347: Jun 26th 2021 at 10:35:43 PM

I find it interesting that nearly always when an entry is brought here for complaining concerns it just ends up being misuse anyway.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#6348: Jun 27th 2021 at 8:40:23 PM

Fridge.Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 has a lot of complaining, with one entry on Brilliance being "this is Sonic's Self-Insert Fic", and lots of This Troper too.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#6349: Jun 27th 2021 at 10:29:30 PM

I’ve noticed an oddity. I removed two identical complainy portions of notes from both Phil Hartman and Jon Lovitz. No idea who added them.

Philip Edward Hartman (September 24, 1948 – May 28, 1998) was a Canadian-born comedian and actor famous for starring on Saturday Night Live from 1986 to 1994,note  for his guest appearances on The Simpsons as incompetent attorney Lionel Hutz (who has a law office at the local mall called "I Can't Believe It's a Law Firm") and washed-up B-movie actor Troy McClure, and for starring as Bill McNeal on the sitcom NewsRadio.

He's best known as a cast member of Saturday Night Live from 1985note  to 1990note .

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Jun 28th 2021 at 12:26:20 PM

Shadow8411 Since: Jul, 2019
#6350: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:35:52 AM

The Phil Hartman example was there since the page was first created. The Jon Lovitz example was added last year by a troper who was suspended a few months ago for repeatedly inserting swaths of natter and/or complaining into examples, among other things (with some of their edits more or less boiling down to their personal opinions and nothing else). Apparently, SNL, the actors involved in it, and sister show MAD TV were some of their prime targets for complaining about. Speaking of which, do we have a SNL cleanup thread?

Edited by Shadow8411 on Jun 28th 2021 at 2:30:08 AM


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