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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#6176: Jun 13th 2021 at 12:17:27 AM

Most of the description of Bowdlerise is complaining about Moral Guardians.

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#6177: Jun 13th 2021 at 12:18:21 AM

Thank god someone else noticed!

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Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
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#6178: Jun 13th 2021 at 1:26:33 AM

[up][up] I wonder how long the page will be when we cut out the complaints.

Eh, good enough.
Jackpot21 Since: May, 2016
#6179: Jun 13th 2021 at 4:00:17 AM

Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL

  • Idiot Ball: Early on, Yuma and Astral acquire No. 11: Big Eye and No. 61: Volcasaurus, two very powerful Number monsters who could have won a lot of duels that called for their effects. Neither Yuma nor Astral ever think to summon these two monsters except for one other time each; in Volcasaurus' case, it's for naught because he summons it during the only duel where his opponent has a counter in place. The same can also be said for No. 6: Chronomaly Atlandis, a card acquired much later but had equally high utilities for, given its overpowered effects; instead... they settle for using Gauntlet Launcher...

This sounds more like a rant than anything. Should it be removed?

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#6180: Jun 13th 2021 at 4:24:15 AM

From YMMV.Rabbids Go Home:

  • Harsher in Hindsight: A lot of the details of the Crapsack World as portrayed though all of the PA Announcements and Human Interactions hilariously mimic how America is in 2018; ten years later. This includes ten minute lunch breaks, insane advertising, and extreme obsession with technology.

This just reads like someone grumbling about how terrible modern society is in a rather out-of-place manner.

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#6181: Jun 13th 2021 at 4:55:09 AM

[up]Honestly, it was probably intended as a Take That!/parody in the first place. Not hindsight.

Also, it's listed as "harsher" but reads as "hilarious"...

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jun 13th 2021 at 7:55:49 AM

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#6182: Jun 13th 2021 at 10:26:43 AM

This is on Suede's Pokémon Journey:

  • A Nostalgia Critic callback that hasn't aged horribly!

Don't know, it seems kinda bashy...

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#6183: Jun 13th 2021 at 10:27:56 AM

Cut.

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
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#6184: Jun 13th 2021 at 10:56:46 AM

It's a ZCE too.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#6185: Jun 13th 2021 at 11:19:31 AM

Does this example from ReferencedBy.Cast A Way seem both complainy and a Zero-Context Example:

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#6187: Jun 13th 2021 at 11:21:22 AM

[up][up]I don't think it's complainy, it just says "this work makes a lot of references to other works," which if true is just an objective statement. But it is a ZCE.

Edit: [nja]

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jun 13th 2021 at 2:21:31 PM

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PhantomDusclops92 Nitpicky Nitwit from Italy Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#6188: Jun 13th 2021 at 11:36:01 AM

[up][up][up]It's actually not a ZCE, I just didn't post the dialogue it's referencing to (which is on the page). Just removed the last part.

BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#6189: Jun 14th 2021 at 9:33:58 AM

Some subpages for Song of the South have some entries that seem to have complaining issues (bolding the more questionable portions if there's only one such sentence):

  • Broken Base:
    • The film has a cult following, but the cult following is bitterly divided between African Americans who remember it for the folktales and one of the first prominent castings of a Black actor, Millennial hipsters who want to watch it due to its mix of notoriety and nostalgia, and older White Southerners who fondly recall its "Uncle Tom"-like aspects and Rose-Tinted Narrative of happy Black people living in the Old South. This obviously has not given Disney much incentive to re-market the film...
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • Uncle Remus has a line about how people wouldn't keep telling these old stories if it didn't mean something to people. After this film went into the Disney vault these stories did become forgotten.
    • A couple of scenes have Johnny's mother all but denouncing Uncle Remus as a corrupting influence on her son, first forbidding him to tell him any of his stories and then forbidding him to go anywhere near him. This can become a lot harder to swallow once you realize the reason why Disney has gradually buried the film since its last American theatrical appearance in 1986—the company appears to similarly consider the film a corrupting influence on today's youth, and not just for its "outdated cultural references" even by the standards of its time.
    • Anything with Bobby Driscoll is seen as harsher by some Disney fans. Considering his rather cruel treatment by the company, and his tragic death.
  • Macekre: Disney has occasionally circulated a cut-down version featuring only the animated segments; this still got Bowdlerized a bit for Splash Mountain in particular, Br'er Rabbit is caught in a beehive rather than the Tar Baby.
  • Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros.": Sometimes it seems like they won't shut up about Br'er Rabbit and company, billing them as characters "from" Splash Mountain and The Lion King 1 ½. Deliberate Adaptation Displacement? By Disney?

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#6190: Jun 14th 2021 at 9:38:08 AM

I have my doubts that people don't know who briar rabbit is outside of splash mountain. It's a very popular folktale.

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#6191: Jun 14th 2021 at 9:47:45 AM

I personally didn't know about those stories til I learned about the movie.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#6192: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:08:08 AM

You can remove those doubts. Brer Rabbit is very well known in European Donald Duck magazines. There are tons of Brer Rabbit comics around of wildly varying quality.

I guarantee you every Dutch kid knows who Brer Rabbit is, by his Dutch name "Broer Konijn".

This is pretty much creator provincialism as applied to troping.

Edited by Redmess on Jun 14th 2021 at 7:09:53 PM

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#6193: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:08:28 AM

Can confirm, we heard about the stories independently of the movie and didn't realize til way later that "funny trickster rabbit" and "racist banned Disney movie" were connected at all.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 14th 2021 at 12:08:59 PM

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#6194: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:13:30 AM

Can confirm.

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6195: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:17:28 AM

I'm European. I had no idea who the Br'ers were until I did some research. In fact, when I went to Disneyland Paris as a kid I remember stumbling across Br'er Bear walking around and I had no idea who he was supposed to be.

But I still took a pic. [lol]

Regardless, even if it is true that Br'er Rabbit is well known for his appearances in Duck comics in certain parts of Europe (certainly not in my neck of the woods), it'd still probably be a case of Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros.". In this case it's either "Br'er Rabbit Debuted in Splash Mountain" or "Br'er Rabbit Debuted in the Duck Comics".

Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 14th 2021 at 7:19:24 PM

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Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#6196: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:19:13 AM

I have read stories of him in the comics.

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
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#6197: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:20:25 AM

I read about him from an anthology of Disney stories I had as a kid.

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#6198: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:22:38 AM

I've watched this film with him way before I knew about song of the south.

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#6199: Jun 14th 2021 at 10:46:59 AM

I vaguely remember reading an anthology book about Br'er stories at primary school. I think it involved Anansi the Spider?

Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#6200: Jun 14th 2021 at 11:01:06 AM

Anyways, I reckon we have proved the point.

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”

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