Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
That example reads a bit whiny, but I'm unwilling to cut it altogether because I'm European myself and I know how certain franchises are screwed over here. Especially RPGs. It's thankfully much less common nowadays, but some years ago they seemed to think we hated the genre as a whole.
Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 9th 2021 at 8:15:18 PM
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."This was recently added to Avenue Q:
- Clueless Aesop: The song "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" correctly points out that many of us have internalized prejudices we consciously know are wrong but at times get the better of us. However, rather than advising thinking more closely about what we say and believe in the name of self-improvement, the song advises the audience not to sweat it and just live with it. Because the best way to approach a major social problem is to just ignore it and tell the people affected by it to just suck it up, right?
I mean... I don't disagree, and it might fit the trope since it's a controversial subject that's narrowed down too much as a musical number, but the way this entry's written, especially that last line, just feels a bit bashy.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.Avenue Q is largely tongue-in-cheek and I'm not sure if that moral isn't.
Plus it delivers a lot Hard Truth Aesops in the first place. The main moral is (and I quote) "everyone only has one revelation in life: they find out they aren't special".
I don't even think it's an adequate use of the trope. The trope is for when an attempt at an aesop is botched or delivered badly. This example reads like it was added because the troper disagreed with the aesop, rather than it actually being poorly done.
"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."Christ, WereStillRelevantDammit.Western Animation has a lot of complaining. Here's just a few entries:
- Disney was pretty bad at this in The '80s — chiefly, it tried to keep its core characters timely by releasing albums of original songs for said characters after the surprisingly successful Mickey Mouse Disco in 1979. Follow-ups included Mousercise (which became the basis, as well as title, for a relatively successful exercise show on The Disney Channel), Splashdance (though the Flashdance connection was only in the title), and Totally Minnie. The last was accompanied by a very odd television special
where Minnie, dressed like the young Madonna and accompanied by Elton John (who was, by the mid-to-late Eighties, enjoying success on the pop charts and MTV) in what may be the most embarrassing costume he ever wore, taught people to "be hip". (If you never, ever want to see Suzanne Somers in a fedora, striped pants and suspenders, or Vanna White getting mashed by Pluto...) Also, Donald Duck became a skateboarder
. And then, after a dry spell, there was the infamous Mickey Unrapped
album in The '90s...
And this sub-bullet:
- From 2009 to 2013, Disney Channel aired a series of interstitials called ''Blam!"
This segment takes classic Disney shorts and adds an obnoxiously "cool" announcer, who shouts out "BLAM!" whenever a character (usually Goofy) gets hurt, all while making really bad jokes mostly consisting of puns. If that weren't enough, the clips would then rewind and play again in slow-motion to squeeze more jokes out. Parodies
followed
.
- From 2009 to 2013, Disney Channel aired a series of interstitials called ''Blam!"
And this entry:
- By far, the most embarrassing attempt to make an older character "cool" to young people was the all-but-forgotten series Yo Yogi! It had a teenaged Yogi Bear dressed in neon pink and green, solving mysteries, and hanging out in Jellystone Mall. Magilla Gorilla was transformed into a rapping snowboarder named Magilla Ice, Dick Dastardly was teenage troublemaker "Dicky D", and certain scenes were designed to be viewed with 3-D glasses (a minor fad during the late 80s and early 90s), which looked awkward to say the least. Surprisingly (or not), this is the last television series to star Yogi Bear. Yo Yogi! (along with the rest of NBC's Saturday morning cartoons) failed so badly that NBC decided to eighty-six their entire animated lineup in order to create an all-teen block in order to take advantage of Saved by the Bell's success and, later, expand the Today show to Saturdays.
I know the trope is currently in TRS but these are inexcusable. What should I do?
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallHonestly, barring the "Disney was pretty bad at this," "most embarrassing costume," and "the worst attempt to make a character hip" bits, the first and third entries aren't really that bad. The "BLAM" one might need more rewriting.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.In order:
- The first example only sounds half-baked.
In 1979. Follow-ups included Mousercise (which became the basis, as well as title, for a relatively successful exercise show on The Disney Channel), Splashdance (though the Flashdance connection was only in the title), and Totally Minnie.
I fail to see the problem?
The last was accompanied by a very odd television special where Minnie, dressed like the young Madonna and accompanied by Elton John (who was, by the mid-to-late Eighties, enjoying success on the pop charts and MTV) in what may be the most embarrassing costume he ever wore, taught people to "be hip". (If you never, ever want to see Suzanne Somers in a fedora, striped pants and suspenders, or Vanna White getting mashed by Pluto...) Also, Donald Duck became a skateboarder. And then, after a dry spell, there was the infamous Mickey Unrapped album in The '90s...
Sounds more or less accurate, old characters following the trends, but I don't see why "(If you never, ever want to see Suzanne Somers in a fedora, striped pants and suspenders, or Vanna White getting mashed by Pluto...)" is here.
- Second:
From 2009 to 2013, Disney Channel aired a series of interstitials called ''Blam!" This segment takes classic Disney shorts and adds an obnoxiously "cool" announcer, who shouts out "BLAM!" whenever a character (usually Goofy) gets hurt, all while making really bad jokes mostly consisting of puns. If that weren't enough, the clips would then rewind and play again in slow-motion to squeeze more jokes out. Parodies followed.
This is a trend? Sounds accurate, if bashy. Delete the bold parts.
By far, the attempt to make an older character "cool" to young people was the all-but-forgotten series Yo Yogi! It had a teenaged Yogi Bear dressed in neon pink and green, solving mysteries, and hanging out in Jellystone Mall. Magilla Gorilla was transformed into a rapping snowboarder named Magilla Ice, Dick Dastardly was teenage troublemaker "Dicky D", and certain scenes were designed to be viewed with 3-D glasses (a minor fad during the late 80s and early 90s), which looked awkward to say the least. Surprisingly (or not), this is the last television series to star Yogi Bear. Yo Yogi! (along with the rest of NBC's Saturday morning cartoons) failed so badly that NBC decided to eighty-six their entire animated lineup in order to create an all-teen block in order to take advantage of Saved by the Bell's success and, later, expand the Today show to Saturdays.
To be fair, this entry is accurate, but it sounds hyperbolic at the beginning, and it doesn't even explain why the nicknames (a reference to Vanilla Ice and ...Dicky Dick?) are a product of their time.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.Thanks all, I cleaned out the complain-y bits.
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallDisney BLAM! Is also listed on Two Decades Behind, stating that it's too much of a 80's/90's thing to be released in the early 2010s. Don't know if it can stay on both tropes or it fits one of them better than the other.
On another point, this is on Western Animation:
- Talking of Flushed Away, one of the above idiotors claimed it to be "inferior" to Ratatouille because "the fur detail isn't realistic". Never mind that the house style of Aardman Animations is claymation, so Flushed Away was done in simulated claymation; so of course the fur detail wasn't realistic — it wasn't meant to be.
Let's count the points:
1 - Starts with Weasel Words. 2 - It's an animated film in the Western Animation subpage. 3 - It's clearly linked to another example that once was above it but it's not because the page was alphabetized, so the source isn't attached to it. 4 - Most importantly, it calls the source a bunch of "Idiotors".
Edited by PhantomDusclops92 on Jun 10th 2021 at 8:39:42 PM
Let's compare root words. A rotor is the part of a generator or engine that turns, and a stator is the fixed part. So an idiotor is the stupid part.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"It's actually "idiot" + "editor."
Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 10th 2021 at 3:36:39 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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For the Yo Yogi! paragraph, it mentions NBC deciding to eighty-six the entire animated lineup.
As a Canadian, I had to look up the meaning of "eighty-six" in this context (it means "to get rid of"). This term is an Americanism.
It would be great if it were replaced with a word with a similar meaning such as "ax."
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jun 10th 2021 at 11:45:32 AM
Kirby is awesome.Found a questionable description for a video example on VideoExamples.Hilarious Outtakes, re: Evangelion (video is titled "Shinji's Rant").
"Shinji shares our sentiments about the ending of Evangelion, it seems. Oh, and End of Evangelion actually made things worse."
I've been wanting to join TV Tropes for years to clean up certain complaining, but I've only just worked up the courage to.
The Conversion Bureau is filled with criticisms of Chatoyance as a person. I honestly don't know how much is salvageable. Someone at least removed the meta parts of the Acceptable Targets entries when I brought it up on a Discord server yesterday.
Also, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW) is filled with complaining about the same few arcs ad nauseum, including the classic "misuse Fanon Discontinuity as the 'bad installment' reaction now that Parvum Opus is gone". The Root of the Problem and Reflections, two of the most complained-about on that page, seem to be some of the most popular arcs, or at least well-known among the wider fandom.
Edited by NitroIndigo on Jun 11th 2021 at 12:41:07 PM
Film.The Neverending Story and its subpages contain a lot of whining concerning the second and third film. Covered by the Nostalgia Critic so of course they do.
Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 11th 2021 at 10:15:18 AM
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Welcome to the cleanup threads!
Funny you should mention that, because I was planning to add The Conversion Bureau to the Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining myself. I think I will do that right now. Thanks for the reminder!
EDIT: Added it and The Neverending Story per
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 11th 2021 at 7:50:15 AM
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI deleted this They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot entry from the YMMV of Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW)
- The “Test Run” arc was considered average by most readers. When solicitations came in, many had thought it to be a homage to SegaSonic, the arcade game which likewise took place in a tower full of traps. Instead the heroes encounter three traps and it's no more dangerous then a normal Eggman run in. Even more so when the tower was just revealed to be testing grounds for Badnik invasions. Tangle likewise was felt underutilized as Belle and her's friendship isn't really explored and at most she just gives her a pep talk, while likewise serving as the Deus ex Machina to save Sonic, Tails and Amy. Belle's subplot was one of the more saving graces, but Eggman and she don't get much time together and he doesn't really react with much curiosity to her by the end of the arc. With the story ending before it can go anywhere.
1) It's doing a reception almost in weasel words.
"Instead the heroes encounter three traps and it's no more dangerous then a normal Eggman run in. Even more so when the tower was just revealed to be testing grounds for Badnik invasions." Like, the arc was made clear it was going to be short.
2) Tangle likewise was felt underutilized as Belle and her's friendship isn't really explored and at most she just gives her a pep talk
The two just met, and Tangle is being friendly with her no different than how she was with Whisper at first.
3) while likewise serving as the Deus ex Machina to save Sonic, Tails and Amy.
It wasn't a Deus ex Machina, Belle was established from the beginning of the arc, and only her could have save the heroes. It would only be a Deus ex Machina if Belle appeared at the last minute to save them.
4) Belle's subplot was one of the more saving graces, but Eggman and she don't get much time together and he doesn't really react with much curiosity to her by the end of the arc. With the story ending before it can go anywhere.
This scene is structured as The Reveal, it wasn't meant to be long.
I hope my justifications were sound for this entry. I don't disagree with the reception of the arc, but I do disagree with CASC Hero suggestions.
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Does Chatoyance have a creator page? Is it filled with complaining? Yes if both.

Trivia.Xenosaga
- Bad Export for You: The series had a god-awful treatment in Europe. For starters, Episode I wasn't even released but, in one of the most baffling publishing decisions in a genre popular in Europe for its baffling publishing decisions, Episode II WAS released. And in a really neat, almost-collector edition-level packaging. Too bad it was only (badly) translated into French and German (in a time when Spanish and Italian translations were already common place) and with one of the worst 50Hz conversions in the entire 6th Console Generation, which is saying something. As for the plot, the game included a DVD with a few hours worth of cutscenes from Episode I to put European audiences up to speed... sort of, since it barely counted as a barebones version of the plot of the first game. The game obviously flopped hard, so Episode III wasn't even considered for an European release.
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