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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

WoodKnapp94 Since: May, 2020
#6101: Jun 8th 2021 at 12:21:22 PM

[up]Screwed by the Network applies to the show that's getting screwed, not by the show that's screwing others over. And it's also too general.

Come to think of it, Screwed by the Network could be a big complaining magnet against networks... Not sure if anyone realized this already.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#6102: Jun 8th 2021 at 12:26:29 PM

[up] It already has been. It's a valid item and all, it just attracts bitter edits.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#6103: Jun 8th 2021 at 1:34:45 PM

YMMV.The Legend Of Korra seems to be very anti-Unalaq. I know The Scrappy is an item about character reception, but it just tears into him. In fact, most of the items about fan reception of the show seem biased against it.

RainbowPumpqueen R A T (she/her) from Kalos Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
R A T (she/her)
#6104: Jun 8th 2021 at 4:18:53 PM

[up] The example doesn't seem that bad..? I could be wrong though, that said, I'm pretty sure this example is misuse because The Scrappy is for characters that the fanbase hates, not for characters they find boring.

Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Jun 8th 2021 at 8:51:07 PM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
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#6105: Jun 8th 2021 at 4:23:41 PM

Nah he's near universally hated.

Even the creators admitted in a later joke he was a terrible character as self depreciation. [lol]

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I--Vanya--I Hantengu, the Upper Rank 4 from Belarus Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#6106: Jun 8th 2021 at 8:05:19 PM

[up][up]I mean, the character being lame and boring can be a reason why the fanbase would hate them.

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nanakiro Since: Feb, 2011
#6107: Jun 9th 2021 at 3:25:32 AM

From Felony Misdemeanor:

The example looks legitimate (treating use of a swear word as a major offense), but the constant reminders of the show's "cheesiness" are suspect.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6108: Jun 9th 2021 at 3:34:21 AM

The page is In-Universe Examples Only, anyway. And I don't know if that's "in-universe".

Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 9th 2021 at 12:34:37 PM

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
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#6109: Jun 9th 2021 at 8:59:41 AM

Alright so the Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining sandbox is getting pretty long. Is anyone opposed to me going through the smaller pages and cleaning up the complaining so as to shorten the list?

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KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#6112: Jun 9th 2021 at 9:07:11 AM

Alright so I'll start with Ghost Dad, since it's a smaller page.

What should I do about the following complain-y entries?

From Main:

  • Skewed Priorities: Apparently, death is like hiccups, since Elliot decides getting a business deal done is more important than, you know, reconciling he's dead.

From YMMV:

I'll go through a few others at their dedicated cleanup threads.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 9th 2021 at 12:09:25 PM

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WoodKnapp94 Since: May, 2020
#6113: Jun 9th 2021 at 9:09:52 AM

[up]Skewed Priorities sounds valid but needs a rewrite, and So Bad, It's Good is a huge ZCE.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6114: Jun 9th 2021 at 9:11:38 AM

The So Bad, It's Good example is hilariously redundant. Might as well just have put the trope title and added nothing else. I don't know if it qualifies, I'm under the impression that it's kind of an infamous movie, but if it does it needs an actual explanation.

Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 9th 2021 at 6:11:49 PM

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#6115: Jun 9th 2021 at 9:13:00 AM

[up][up] Alright, an attempted rewrite for Skewed Priorities (from someone who has not seen the film:)

  • Skewed Priorities: In the film, Eliot is more concerned about getting a business deal than trying to work out the circumstances surrounding his own death.

Not a fan of my own rewrite but what does everyone else think?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 9th 2021 at 12:13:07 PM

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Shadow8411 Since: Jul, 2019
#6116: Jun 9th 2021 at 9:30:44 AM

[up] It's definitely better than the original version, which was dripping with snark.

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#6117: Jun 9th 2021 at 9:52:36 AM
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#6118: Jun 9th 2021 at 3:29:55 PM

Alright, final entry from Ghost Dad I need to clean up. What should I do about this entry, specifically the second bolded portion?

Should I cut the second bullet, or rewrite it?

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jandn2014 SMILE! from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#6119: Jun 9th 2021 at 3:36:18 PM

[up] I’d just do this:

Edited by jandn2014 on Jun 9th 2021 at 6:36:48 AM

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#6120: Jun 9th 2021 at 6:30:46 PM

[up] Thanks, swapped the example. And since the complaining has been cleaned out, I will remove the film from the complaining cleanup sandbox.

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fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#6121: Jun 9th 2021 at 7:46:26 PM

This is on Real Life:

Nickelodeon gave both The Ren & Stimpy Show and Ren & Stimpy "Adult Party Cartoon" the Chris Benoit treatment for a period in 2018 following the publication of a BuzzFeed report where two female animators accused show creator John Kricfalusi of attempting to prey on them while they were teenagers in the mid-90's. Reruns were pulled from NickRewind (then NickSplat), the Nick website dropped all references to it, all "retro" merchandising for it was discontinued and digital outlets stopped selling the series. Even the episodes that Kricfalusi wasn't involved in were pulled due to his mere association to the characters. NickSplat's social media accounts stopped mentioning the series, and official videos on YouTube featuring the series were taken down, including the show's opening theme. On top of all that, when Nick launched the NickSplat streaming service in August 2018 on the VRV service showcasing much of their classic programming, The Ren & Stimpy Show was nowhere to be found, underscoring Nick's then-desire to bury the show completely. However, the unpersoning was undone months later as Ren & Stimpy returned to Nick's spotlight like nothing happened (or they just wanted to keep the fans happy whilst pretending John K never got accused of any of that).

I'm wondering about the wording of the last sentence...

ejmenendez Since: May, 2015
#6122: Jun 9th 2021 at 7:56:24 PM

[up] I could be wrong, but I don't recall hearing any word about Ren and Stimpy being brought back outside of the possible revival, as well as maybe reruns but I have seen an episode of Pepe le Pew a few weeks after the character was ultimately decided to be too problematic so they might not count. If anything they could still be uncrediting him for his work, but again I'm not sure. Might need more looking into.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6123: Jun 9th 2021 at 8:16:18 PM

I have no idea why Nickelodeon putting Ren and Stimpy back into rotation would be "pretending John K. was never accused". Axe that.

Also, yes, there is, supposedly, a Ren and Stimpy revival in the works.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6124: Jun 9th 2021 at 10:24:58 PM

If they ultimately put the show back into rotation, does it even fit Un-person anymore? It was just Distanced from Current Events. And I think the worst they did to cancel association with Kricfalusi himself was take down his photo in the studio.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#6125: Jun 9th 2021 at 10:47:55 PM

[up] I believe both they and Cartoon Network did say that they wouldn't work with him in the future, though obviously that isn't retroactively erasing him. So yeah, I don't think it really counts. Taking down a picture of him isn't erasing the entire memory of him.


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