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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM

BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#5151: Mar 16th 2021 at 5:33:15 AM

I found this entry in Animation.Squirrel And Hedgehog:

  • An Aesop: A North Korean Aesop - your enemy does not deserve mercy or humane treatment. Your enemy is a liar, a bully, and a kidnapper. You cannot reason with your enemy - trying to make peace is a waste of time. You must train, you must always be ready! Kill them to protect your beautiful, perfect country, any way you can. You know, for kids!
Do you think it should be toned down?

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#5152: Mar 16th 2021 at 6:28:04 AM

Erase the "north korean aesop" and "for kids".

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
StardustSoldier Since: Aug, 2017
#5154: Mar 16th 2021 at 9:19:30 AM

The opening of The Bee Gees is pretty negative...


"The Bee Gees... sound like talented musicians... being scalded to death."

The Bee Gees are a controversial band to talk about these days because either you love them or you hate them. Whatever the case, it isn't considered cool to like them, even though they have had a significant career in the music industry.


...especially the "being scalded to death" and "it isn't considered cool to like them." Yeesh!
I wanted to remove/change it, although I wasn't really sure what to replace it with.

Edited by StardustSoldier on Mar 16th 2021 at 5:29:18 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#5155: Mar 16th 2021 at 9:39:31 AM

[up]Remove it as reception on the main page.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#5156: Mar 16th 2021 at 2:35:31 PM

Re: YMMV.Tetris:

For Porting Disaster re: Tetris Ultimate, cut the chunk after "a tendency to crash frequently."

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
HashiriyaR32 Since: Jan, 2001
#5158: Mar 17th 2021 at 9:34:14 AM

Crossposting from the OBC cleanup thread for reason other than possible OBC misuse. The entry being disputed can be found in OvershadowedByControversy.Web Original, and a link to the relevant post in the cleanup thread here.

  • Anime reviewer Hero Hei is nowadays known less for his actual reviews a. nd more for his Irrational Hatred of Rooster Teeth (to the point of actively antagonizing and harassing Neath Oum over the direction of RWBY), his tendency to use clickbait-y titles and images in his videos to drum up views, and actively encouraging his fanbase to harass fans of the media he criticizes.

Sections of concern have been bolded, to which I suggested that whoever added this block to the page had beef with Hei, and because I have seen no evidence for these claims in either Hei's tweets or vids.

Another user agreed that these parts need to be backed up by evidence, but disagreed with my assessment on whether or not the user had beef. Would these parts, or rather this entire block be a bit too bashy? Worse, would this also constitute a ROCEJ violation?

Edited by HashiriyaR32 on Mar 17th 2021 at 10:33:04 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#5159: Mar 17th 2021 at 10:39:57 AM

In my experience most people's issues with him is that he regurgitates information with no new info as a form of clickbait and is an alt-right "SJ Ws are censoring my anime titties and forcing representation down our throats" kind of asshole. So while he his hated within the Rooster Teeth community for being an obsessively bashy Caustic Critic, and I can believe he'd encourage harassment, I've never heard about him outright doing so.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#5160: Mar 17th 2021 at 4:40:09 PM

Mimic64 just added a ton of entries to Thor: Ragnarok.

While a few of them like the one under Unintentionally Sympathetic for Valkyrie are valid, most of it comes off as nitpicking or bashing that few in the audience really seem to share. Also misuse of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot to mean "things I personally wish happened".

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 17th 2021 at 9:01:15 AM

HashiriyaR32 Since: Jan, 2001
#5161: Mar 17th 2021 at 7:36:49 PM

[up][up] So do I have go-ahead to just gut bolded sections (for no evidence) , or should I leave it alone and report back to the OBC thread with this:

  • "Hey, just ran through the complaining/bashing cleanup thread and the block is not in need of this sort of cleanup. Will let OBC cleanup decide on final action"

?

Edited by HashiriyaR32 on Mar 17th 2021 at 10:37:25 AM

Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#5162: Mar 18th 2021 at 12:49:46 AM

Since it needs it, here is the first part of the description of DeviantArt:

    Description 
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deviantart_logo_208px_5168.png

There are two major factions of the deviantART community. The first one is people who draw so well that they make you feel like shit and the second one are people that make you feel like shit because you are a member of their species.

DeviantArt (styled as deviantART from 2004-2014) is a website featuring art from registered users. Art types include full-fledged paintings, sketches, digital art, photography, sculptures, writing, fan art, fanfics, comics, and more; there are extensive downloadable resources such as tutorials and stock photography. "Fella," a small, robotic, cat character, is the official DeviantArt mascot. It is currently owned by Israeli web software company Wix.com Ltd.

DeviantArt was originally launched Monday, August 7, 2000 by Angelo Sotira, Scott Jarkoff, and Matt Stephens as part of a larger network of music-related websites called the Dmusic Network. The site flourished largely because of its unique offering and the contributions of its core member base and a team of volunteers after its launch, but was officially incorporated in 2001 about eight months after launch.

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
Tenebrika she/her (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Not war
she/her
#5163: Mar 18th 2021 at 4:57:02 AM

[up][up][up] What a mess. The Badass Decay and Idiot Plot entries are like, the movie gives no indication there was anything better to do but I just feel this overwhelming urge to complain! And never heard of the Worf Effect, nope.

I can't be the judge of the fandom, but the way the entries are written, I think they need to go. Also, is this the time when we send a complaining notifier?

The They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entry about Fenris is also complain-y at best, and is there really Fanon Discontinuity? I'm curious.

Edited by Tenebrika on Mar 18th 2021 at 6:58:12 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#5164: Mar 18th 2021 at 4:59:42 AM

Should note they got suspended once for complaining about this film on the threads so they have a clear bias against it.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DookieIdiotNimrod Back by Unpopular Demand from An abandoned K-Mart Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Back by Unpopular Demand
#5165: Mar 18th 2021 at 5:28:40 AM

[up][up] To sum it up, no. In fact, if anything, it's the movie the Fandom spends the most time gushing about.

[down] Yeah. So basically, it's less "Fan Discontinuity" and more "I really hate this film."

Edited by DookieIdiotNimrod on Mar 18th 2021 at 8:42:45 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#5166: Mar 18th 2021 at 5:40:01 AM

Literally one of the only things I know about the Thor franchise from an outsider POV is that Ragnarok is the one everybody loves and one of the movies that made Taika Waititi really popular.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#5167: Mar 18th 2021 at 5:44:24 AM

Once again this exact same troper was suspended for complaining about this film on the forums.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DookieIdiotNimrod Back by Unpopular Demand from An abandoned K-Mart Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Back by Unpopular Demand
#5168: Mar 18th 2021 at 5:48:19 AM

Anyway, removed.

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#5169: Mar 18th 2021 at 5:52:41 AM

[up][up] If that's the case, might need to make an ATT.

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#5170: Mar 18th 2021 at 6:08:25 AM

Mimic 45 (the actual user; there's no such user as Mimic 64) will be notified.

Edited by Berrenta on Mar 18th 2021 at 8:09:05 AM

BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#5171: Mar 18th 2021 at 6:57:52 AM

The Because You Were Nice to Me page has this sentence in an example referring to Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers:

Does the latter reason really need to stay? Because right now it seems like asking for trouble.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#5172: Mar 18th 2021 at 7:11:18 AM

[up] Rewrite the entry. There's no need for that opinion in a main page.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
BigJimbo Since: Dec, 2017
#5173: Mar 18th 2021 at 7:14:53 AM

A similar incident is this one in Huge Rider, Tiny Mount:

While I'm sure I should make the entry revolve less around that, should we only dedicate a small mention to the ruined effect, or remove it completely?

DookieIdiotNimrod Back by Unpopular Demand from An abandoned K-Mart Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Back by Unpopular Demand
#5174: Mar 18th 2021 at 7:34:06 AM

[up] I'd say if ruining the effect was part of the Trope, keep it. But since it's not, delete it.

Shadow8411 Since: Jul, 2019
#5175: Mar 18th 2021 at 2:21:54 PM

From Family Guy S 4 E 4 Dont Make Me Over:

  • Were Still Relevant Dammit: The writers mocking Jimmy Fallon for his Corpsing on Saturday Night Live — in June 2005 (which was after the show completed its 30th season and before the show would refresh itself by broadcasting in high-def and hiring Bill Hader, Andy Samberg, and Kristen Wiig as the new feature players [after firing Rob Riggle and keeping Jason Sudeikis]). Sort of justified in that Family Guy was still canceled in 2004 and was trying to catch up with the times, but all the jokes about Fallon and his inability to keep from cracking during SNL sketches dried up as soon as he left. Even The Simpsons' Take That! against Jimmy Fallon (on the season 16 episode "Home Away from Homer"note ) was timelier than this.

What doesn't help is that the entry tries to justify itself, before going back to complaining, then adding "The Simpsons was timelier when they did it".

Edited by Shadow8411 on Mar 18th 2021 at 2:23:09 AM


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