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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#3826: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:24:04 PM

I don't really see how one can defend the GDR without morally compromising himself, as long as the defence does not consist of the statement "it was not as bad as the Third Reich", which no one would seriously argue anyway. You can always say that the GDR did some things better than the West, e.g. by making it easier for women to work and have a family (though as some recent research has pointed out, when it came to allowing women to reach leadership positions, the GDR was even worse), but you will always be able to find some good aspects about any regime that did not collapse immediately after taking power. None of that changes the bigger picture of what the GDR was all about. And it makes me furious that the Left party still denies this.

Edited by Zarastro on Mar 13th 2020 at 11:27:21 AM

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#3827: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:30:39 PM

[up]I once had an idiot try to convince me that what the Stazi did was no different from Neibourhood Watch, really.

I spluttered for a while over that one before I could reply in any coherent fashion.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#3828: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:37:44 PM

[up] Should have referred them to Hohenschönhausen.

The Stasi literally gave people cancer.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#3829: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:40:31 PM

[up] Naw, they were just "well-intentioned but misguided" in their methods.

=>Official position of the Left party

Not to mention how the Left party has done their best to undermine the historians working at Hohenschönhausen for years since they are in government... .

Edit. I am a bit surprised that there is an English wiki entry about "Unrechtstaat". I tried to find a proper English equivalent to it, but so far failed.

Edited by Zarastro on Mar 13th 2020 at 2:10:48 PM

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#3830: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:13:14 PM

I don't really see how one can defend the GDR without morally compromising himself, as long as the defence does not consist of the statement "it was not as bad as the Third Reich", which no one would seriously argue anyway. You can always say that the GDR did some things better than the West, e.g. by making it easier for women to work and have a family (though as some recent research has pointed out, when it came to allowing women to reach leadership positions, the GDR was even worse), but you will always be able to find some good aspects about any regime that did not collapse immediately after taking power. None of that changes the bigger picture of what the GDR was all about. And it makes me furious that the Left party still denies this.

I don't think intellectual honesty is a moral compromise, if an authoritarian government does something good then it doesn't become bad just because they are undemocratic.

Acknowledging the good doesn't have to be excusing the bad, the latter is terrible but not really a product of the former.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 13th 2020 at 6:14:33 AM

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#3831: Mar 14th 2020 at 1:43:59 PM

[up]Because is irrelevant, is kinda like saying the nazi instatured anti hunting law in germany or anti smoking law, it maybe be happen but saying in any context beyond trivia can come close to way of apologia.

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#3832: Mar 14th 2020 at 7:22:59 PM

From the last page, I don't see Drunken Nordmann around too too often, but saying that he's making excuses for Ramelow's apologia for pointing out that a term has a certain connotation seems like a pretty significant strawman.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#3833: Mar 14th 2020 at 8:28:44 PM

[up] Not quote, that is the way the Left party is trying to spin it.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#3835: Mar 15th 2020 at 4:04:33 AM

[up]If they seriously consider that even for a minute, the shareholders should look into sacking the board.

It's Trump: he thinks contract and payment agreements are for other people, whatever the so-called advantages in networking through him might appear to be. Companies should know this by now.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Mar 15th 2020 at 11:05:11 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#3836: Mar 15th 2020 at 6:34:47 AM

As the article mentions, the guy who met with Trump has apparently already been replaced without an explanation.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Mar 15th 2020 at 2:39:43 PM

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#3837: Mar 15th 2020 at 6:57:25 AM

[up]Which is explanation enough. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

And Trump is a stupid game.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#3838: Mar 15th 2020 at 7:03:56 AM

Also if I recall correctly, we do actually have mechanisms in place to nationalise assets in case of emergency.

The company likely didn't want to risk it.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#3839: Mar 15th 2020 at 8:23:42 AM

And to think that the times when the USA and Germany had such a close relationship are only 3 yeara in the past... .

Let us just hope that Trump loses his reelection, or things will get really ugly for us.

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#3841: Mar 29th 2020 at 9:28:58 AM

Thomas Schafer, the Hesse state finance minister is found dead, with the police suspecting suicide.

Apparently "Schäfer had been living under considerable worry and stress because of the current COVID-19 pandemic."

Uh oh.

Edited by dRoy on Mar 30th 2020 at 1:29:36 AM

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#3842: Mar 29th 2020 at 10:10:46 AM

He is the one who said "The fight against the Corona crisis will not fail because of money." Which I assume is in massive amounts of trouble now.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#3843: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:14:38 PM

Germany calls on migrant medics to help tackle coronavirus

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/germany-calls-on-migrant-medics-to-help-tackle-coronavirus

Perhaps something good will come out of all this mess. The Af D likes to joke about how all the refugees are supposedly "doctors", now those doctors could prove to be extremely valuable.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#3844: May 15th 2020 at 7:59:00 AM

Burning EU and other flags can now bring German jail term

Germany has made public burning of the EU flag or that of another country punishable by up to three years in jail, classing it as a hate crime.

The vote in the Bundestag (parliament) on Thursday makes defiling foreign flags equal to the crime of defiling the German flag.

The same applies for the EU anthem, Beethoven's Ode to Joy theme.

The move followed Social Democrat (SPD) complaints about protesters' burning of the Israeli flag in Berlin in 2017.

Justice Minister Christine Lambrecht, a member of the centre-left SPD, said "burning flags publicly has nothing to do with peaceful protests". She said it stoked up "hatred, anger and aggression", and hurt many people's feelings.

The new law also applies to acts of defilement besides burning, such as publicly ripping a flag up. Public display of the Nazi swastika and other Nazi symbols is already banned in Germany.

The far-right Alternative for Germany (Af D) has condemned the new law as "excessive interference in free speech and artistic expression".

The act of defiling the Union Flag in the UK is not a crime, but France has made desecration of the tricolour punishable by a fine of up to €7,500 (£6,600; $8,000) or six months in jail.

Spain, Italy and Greece also have laws banning desecration of the national flag.

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#3845: May 15th 2020 at 8:34:35 AM

What flags count? Does the Palestinian flag get protection? The Confederate flag? The Nazi flag?

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#3846: May 15th 2020 at 8:50:07 AM

Finally. It was unbearable that burning flags of Israel was legal on German soil.

[up]

A bit of common sense tells you the answer.

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#3847: May 15th 2020 at 8:58:18 AM

A bit of common sense tells you the answer.

That is not an adequate answer, at all.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#3848: May 15th 2020 at 9:21:46 AM

[up] The article states that burning the flag of another country is illegal, why would anyone believe that the Confederation flag would be protected? I know Trump does a lot to appease white supremacists, but as far as I know, he has not gone so far as to changing the flag of the USA.

Burning a Nazi might not be a good idea for different reasons, because you might violate the anti-swastika law in public places. Though as far as I know, some Länder are a bit more lenient on that.

Edited by Zarastro on May 15th 2020 at 6:30:25 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#3849: May 15th 2020 at 9:24:04 AM

That's only two of three, does the Palestinian flag get protection?

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#3850: May 15th 2020 at 9:51:54 AM

I think its stupid.

Flags aren't people.

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