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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#251: Nov 3rd 2015 at 7:19:35 AM

[up] That everyone in Europe is dancing to our tune and therefore we were able to force austerity on them. Sometimes I get the feeling people want us to be an imperialistic behemoth - similar to the people who can't get over the fact that the Cold War ended a few decaded ago.

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#252: Nov 3rd 2015 at 7:20:59 AM

Oh

So no new Reich or World domination plan...?

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#253: Nov 3rd 2015 at 7:26:32 AM

...*continues to stand in his corner and chant 'Break! Break! Break!' at the Union*note 

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#254: Nov 3rd 2015 at 7:40:45 AM

[up] Who's going to replace them, though? We still have the same problem: No real alternative. Worst case, the xenophobes gain even more traction.

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#255: Nov 3rd 2015 at 7:49:06 AM

I don't want them to be gone. I want the *Union* broken, ie CDU and CSU divided. I am tired of all this fucking tail-wags-dog attempts from Munich.

Fuck, if the SPD would promise the CDU to not kick them in the ass while they did it, they could essentially kick out the CSU and just continue governing till 2017! The Great Coalition has 504 seats, 10% of which are CSU which means even if they kicked out the blue-white morons they'd still have a two-thirds majority!

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#256: Nov 3rd 2015 at 8:36:35 AM

[up]X5 It comes from the fact that Germany is by far the largest and most powerful of the countries pushing for austerity, the ideas would have gotten nowhere without German support, and certain aspects of austerity (the absurd level of fear around inflation and the printing of money) can be tied very clearly to German cultural issues.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#257: Nov 3rd 2015 at 8:44:51 AM

[up] I know that, but from people's behaviour you'd think it's still 1942. To a degree, it's just plain old Germanophobia.

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#258: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:10:26 AM

Depends on the people, but yes a lot of it is overblown nonsense and thinly disguised German hate being dressed up with convenient excuse.

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#259: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:13:23 AM

But germans are scary. I mean. Have you seen them? They are all oktoberfest and stuff.

spooky.

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#260: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:23:20 AM

[up] That's the Bavarians, Aszur. Huge difference.

edited 3rd Nov '15 9:25:54 AM by DrunkenNordmann

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#261: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:27:07 AM

Barbarians!? Germany is worse than I thought!!!

As a random question...how well can you get along in Germany knowing English only?

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#262: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:39:32 AM

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It depends. In big cities in Western Germany reasonably well. The same counts for Berlin. It could be more difficult if you come to rural areas. particulary in Eastern Germany (and Bavaria, even many Germans can't properly understand their dialect, or so we joke).

[up]x6 @ Silasw: Although this fear of inflation has little to do with historical experience (like many foreign experts believe) and more with personal interest. Germans have on average higher saving rates than other Europeans (just compare the percentage of Germans owning their own house, compared with e.g. Southern Europeans) which means that high inflations hurts us more.

edited 3rd Nov '15 9:44:22 AM by Zarastro

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#263: Nov 3rd 2015 at 9:46:58 AM

I don't want them to be gone. I want the *Union* broken, ie CDU and CSU divided. I am tired of all this fucking tail-wags-dog attempts from Munich.

Not Bavarian Independence? And how strong is the mood for that, anyway?

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#264: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:09:30 AM

I don't want Bavaria gone. I'm just tired of them basically having some weird political special status due to the Union.

You don't see the Prime Minister of Hessen act like Horst Seehofer?

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#265: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:15:56 AM

I'm not German, so what would that be like? smile

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#266: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:20:59 AM

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To be fair, the CSU accounts for more votes than any other Landesverband (anyone knowsa proper English translation for this?) of the CDU.

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#267: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:25:59 AM

Maybe. But even if its the biggest tail, its still trying to wag the dog.

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#268: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:26:20 AM

Although this fear of inflation has little to do with historical experience (like many foreign experts believe) and more with personal interest.

But isn't that personal interest there because of a cultural shift bought about by the historical experience?

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#269: Nov 3rd 2015 at 10:34:15 AM

It comes from the fact that Germany is by far the largest and most powerful of the countries pushing for austerity, the ideas would have gotten nowhere without German support, and certain aspects of austerity (the absurd level of fear around inflation and the printing of money) can be tied very clearly to German cultural issues.
It also doesn't help that what is the closest European equivalent to the U.S. Fed is dominated by German bankers, if memory serves. German bankers who are pushing for what seems to be German political-economic policy, that sound like the statements of other high ranking Germans.

Zarastro has stated that German economic policy, the structuring of business oversight, the ECB and the German government isn't coordinated, but when everyone with the highest seats sounds like they're speaking from the same playbook...

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#270: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:00:56 AM

If Bavaria becomes independent, they should leave Swabia and Franconia or at least give them the choice between Bavaria, Germany and independence. Otherwise, good riddance.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#271: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:03:34 AM

[up] Can Bavaria even survive on its own, economically?

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#272: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:04:09 AM

They can sell beer!

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#273: Nov 3rd 2015 at 11:27:00 AM

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That would probably depend on how the big companys would react, would e.g. Siemens move their HQ back to e.g. Berlin?

@ Potatoes Rock: Fun fact, it is often said that Germans would dominate the ECB, but on its own Germany does not have a lot of influence there (it might have more than any country on their own, but that's because it also guarantees for the largest amount of money there). There is only one German in the ECB council (like the rules allow) and so far no president of the ECB has been from Germany (something that'll hopefully change after Draghi's turn). The reason why Germany has some control over the fiscal policy is because many other smaller countries agree with Berlin and vote with them.

Besides, you don't need to be coordinated if you have basically the same conviction. Most leading economists and politicians have been deeply influenced by Ordoliberalism which they attributed to the German economic miracle when they grew up, and this concept has been vindicated by the Euro crisis.

edited 3rd Nov '15 11:29:46 AM by Zarastro

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#274: Nov 3rd 2015 at 12:45:33 PM
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#275: Nov 3rd 2015 at 1:12:28 PM

I don't think the Bavarians really want to secede. They make a lot of noise, but that's par of the course by now. I'm more worried about the political climate in Saxony, especially if the Pegida/AfD crowd gains any real political power there. These guys already threatened to secede (with the unoriginal name "Saxit") if they don't get their will otherwise.

edited 3rd Nov '15 1:13:13 PM by DrunkenNordmann

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