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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#51: Mar 21st 2012 at 12:37:22 PM

edited 21st Mar '12 12:51:30 PM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52: Mar 21st 2012 at 12:45:38 PM

I think this is a better place to discuss a lowering of the cap.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#53: Mar 21st 2012 at 12:50:44 PM

True, this is becoming a clone of that thread. I reposted my point in that one.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#54: Mar 24th 2012 at 10:55:10 AM

It occurs to me that this autosweeper is a relic of an older time in TRS, before we instituted the thread cap and took more concerted action to revive dead threads. It's no longer necessary for its original purpose and, as this thread indicates, is now doing more harm than good.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#55: Mar 24th 2012 at 11:14:54 AM

I think the bot could be repurposed in a clocking bot posting "Clocking stale thread". Opinions?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#56: Mar 24th 2012 at 11:18:23 AM

Looking through the morgue, it appears an expiry bot was once around.

edited 24th Mar '12 11:18:39 AM by lu127

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57: Mar 24th 2012 at 11:23:10 AM

Yeah, and it went crazy, locking (or was it zapping?) threads randomly. So it was turned off.

Opinions about[up][up]?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#58: Mar 24th 2012 at 11:24:28 AM

Has anyone confirmed the threads are perma gone and not stashed in some archive we can't get into?

edited 24th Mar '12 4:03:11 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#59: Mar 24th 2012 at 11:26:47 AM

They are archived in the morgue, but rather randomly spread across pages, so we have to check them to see if they were locked by the bot and not by the mods.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#60: Mar 24th 2012 at 4:04:06 PM

I don't mind the tool doing what it does but perhaps it could dump the closed convos into area for items cleaned by the tool so we can sort out any problems that it may have unintentionally caused.

Who watches the watchmen?
Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#61: Apr 1st 2012 at 11:27:09 AM

Bump. Are we getting any resolution here? I've hollered for some threads to be reopened, but they appear not to have been. Are other people checking the morgue for almost-concluded issues? Will this bot run again, and if so, how often?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#62: Apr 1st 2012 at 11:29:15 AM

Please don't reopen threads randomly. I have been working at clocking the threads at the end of TRS.

Also, you need good reasons to get a closed thread reopened.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#63: Apr 1st 2012 at 12:38:13 PM

[up] But I'm not doing it randomly. I'm looking at threads that have a crowner with a clear outcome, that simply need closing and implementing.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#64: Apr 1st 2012 at 12:44:31 PM

Well, I have noticed that holler responses have been strangely selective lately.

That being said, I wouldn't opposed to keep the bot running and just exempt all threads with crowners or stars from the autolocker.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#65: Apr 1st 2012 at 12:46:33 PM

[up] What do you mean?

Also, it strikes me that numerous stale threads are simply in need of a crowner, so locking them without crownering doesn't really help.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#66: Apr 1st 2012 at 12:48:39 PM

First paragraph: "When I send several hollers, only a few of them get any response at all"

Otherwise, I am trying to get every thread that has been stale for a month clocked. This might lead to the thread getting crownered.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#67: Apr 1st 2012 at 12:54:40 PM

[up] Yeah, I have the impression that the mods are getting over-hollered.

Anyway, clocking old threads strikes me as an excellent idea, and precisely what clocks are meant for. Locking old threads out of the blue strikes me as wasteful. I would really like to get some more mods and especially Eddie in this discussion, though. Because for all we know, any thread that hasn't had activity in the past weekend may end up locked on monday.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#68: Apr 1st 2012 at 1:35:08 PM

Are there hollers being sent out that shouldn't be sent out? In other words, if the mods would like us not to holler certain things for the time being, what would they like us not to holler?

ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#69: Apr 2nd 2012 at 11:00:38 AM

I'm really not looking farward to having to go through this every month, with legitimate problems ignored, and the remaining threads anti-bumped by the inevitable flood of 120 new threads all at once.

Clocking makes sense. Locking without resolving the issues at hand will continue to cause problems.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#70: Apr 2nd 2012 at 11:26:41 AM

So, should this bot be repurposed into a clocking one, that runs continuously? For reference, the meaning of the clock is here. Note: "Will be locked" means "the moderators will lock it if hollered", not "automatically locked"

edited 2nd Apr '12 1:27:54 PM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#71: Apr 2nd 2012 at 1:03:08 PM

Not if the clock auto-locks the threads. That just causes the same problems.

If a thread is stalled, it should not be torn apart by a robot. An actual human being, who can read and think, should look at it, think about whether or not there's a genuine trope problem that needs solving, decide whether it needs a bump, a crowner, a star, or something else, and take action necessary to resolve the problem.

I can't understand how "just ignore most of the trope problems on the wiki" was ever suggested, let alone carried out, as a serious solution to the TRS backlog.

edited 2nd Apr '12 1:04:04 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#72: Apr 2nd 2012 at 1:17:28 PM

Not auto-lock. Auto-clock.

Also, I have to note that a thread rotting away in the depths of TRS isn't helping the wiki in any way.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#73: Apr 2nd 2012 at 1:21:28 PM

The post linked to is inaccurate, or at least misleading. The expiration of the clock does not automatically lock the thread. The actual effect of the clock is nonexistent, at least as far as most tropers are concerned.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#74: Apr 2nd 2012 at 1:29:12 PM

Yes. The Gundamjack thread got a clock and was then locked due to lack of activity, but someone got it unlocked again.

Anyway, added warning against misreading the post.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#75: Apr 2nd 2012 at 2:08:47 PM

OK, yeah, the thinger you linked to confused me.

Ignored threads aren't helping the wiki, but that problems should be solved by resolving the problems mentioned in the threads, not by making a policy of ignoring them even harder, and pretending those problems will just go away.

edited 2nd Apr '12 2:18:34 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.

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