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Epyon Since: Jun, 2010
#226: Jul 16th 2012 at 5:08:56 AM

But like I said, even if Kirito forgot having a naked girl in his bathroom, Aria's part of a whole stretch of ministories. First they hang out in his room on the first floor, then they go hunting for materials on the second floor, then after they again walk the stairs to the third floor together after the bossfight they embark on a quest together that lasts from the 3rd floor to the 9th floor. Long story short, in the new retelling, Asuna became Kirito's "very important partying partner" as he put it, quite a bit earlier then Volume 1 led us to believe. The anime however is still going down the original route since this new version of Volume 1 hasn't been written yet, but still needed to introduce Asuna and Agil and the whole Beater thing.

Hence what we have now. I'm not saying Episode 2 is anywhere near as good as it should've been but what the Kirito/Asuna interactions are concerned, I get it.

edited 16th Jul '12 5:09:12 AM by Epyon

Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#227: Jul 16th 2012 at 5:55:29 AM

... I haven't heard of this, uh, new retelling everyone is talking about. Where did this news of the new retelling come from?

Thrombin excellent Since: Jun, 2010
Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#229: Jul 16th 2012 at 7:14:41 AM

Where in the tenth novel? its not in the afterwords.

Epyon Since: Jun, 2010
#230: Jul 16th 2012 at 7:36:34 AM

Apparently he announced it on his twitter, it''ll be called SAO Progressive.

Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#231: Jul 16th 2012 at 7:37:29 AM

Progressive is progressive, not a rewrite of volume 1. for more info, go check out aria SS's image.

ashnazg Since: Dec, 2009
#232: Jul 16th 2012 at 8:08:43 AM

Yeah, I was rather confused when reading the later novels to see that Asuna and Kirito's past relationship seems to keep getting adjusted slightly.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#233: Jul 16th 2012 at 8:33:25 AM

... so apparently the second episode is a bad adaptation but I enjoyed it fully from start to end. So yeah, whatever. smile

Makes me wanna read the novels, though; are they really that much better?

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#234: Jul 16th 2012 at 9:53:24 AM

I suppose that depends on what you want out of the story. Personally I think they are, but other people might get impatient with the excessive detail or something.

MurkyMuse Magical Girl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Magical Girl
#235: Jul 16th 2012 at 11:02:47 AM

[up][up]I started reading the novels after the first episode. But even with Aria fresh in my mind, I still enjoyed the second episode.

People are mirrors. If you smile, a smile will be reflected.
ashnazg Since: Dec, 2009
#236: Jul 16th 2012 at 12:11:49 PM

Well, let's hope Red-Nosed Reindeer doesn't screw up. I found it to be a pretty powerful sidestory...

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#237: Jul 16th 2012 at 2:59:34 PM

Frankly, I don't see how it's even theoretically possible for them not to screw it up. The pacing of the previous two episodes doesn't lead into it at all.

Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#238: Jul 17th 2012 at 4:31:55 AM

huh. I don't think they are likely to screw up... i just wonder whether they will be putting it in chronological order or follow the novel's style(using flashbacks or something).

I mean, it's not a bad lead-in, we know about how he is a beater since they explained it in Aria, so him being worried about them finding out about his status as a beater is a perfectly legitimate worry.

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#239: Jul 17th 2012 at 7:58:00 AM

The problem is that they will have to explain the reason he is so driven to complete "Red-Nosed Reindeer" on top of the rest of the story/plot. About the only ways I can imagine them doing so with only one episode is to spend over half the episode on "backstory" or spend almost no time on the "backstory." (Any more details to explain what I expect would probably spoil the plot and I don't want to use the spoiler mark-up because of how easy that is to read)

While it is quite possible that the episode will be entertaining for the anime-only audience, it is hard to imagine the LN readers enjoying ether option (as much*

). There is just no way I can see for them to create the same sort of connection to the characters/situation that the books provide in that amount of time.

Hopefully I am wrong... but I don't think so.


I have a suggestion: after each anime episode airs, LN readers make a single post that explains what they didn't like and then no one tries to discuss it.

That way we can hopefully focus on the good aspects. We (and I definitely count myself as part of that "we") have been focusing way too much on They Changed It, Now It Sucks! because we are not getting anything even close to what we hoped.

(I know this is wishful thinking, but maybe people will remember it and there will be less complaining in the future)

edited 17th Jul '12 8:36:00 AM by Belian

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#240: Jul 17th 2012 at 8:14:10 AM

So you think it'll be flashback style?

Don't be so pessimistic about LN readers not enjoying it, RNR is basically a stand alone story, what happens before that has really little impact, the aftereffects just show you how Kirito got his solo, anti-guild mindset. Oh, and maybe explains a bit on storage sharing, but that's basically it.

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#241: Jul 17th 2012 at 8:50:45 AM

"Flashback/dream" (all at once or in parts) is one option. The other is to show the "backstory" then jump to the "present." Any of these ways will work, but what really matters is if they want to "show" the backstory or "explain" it. There are advantages to every method: it is quite possible that an "explanation" style would take up less time (and is what they will probably go with) while "showing" would create a better emotional connection.

Good points. Though the most important/emotional parts of the story (to me) are the buildup that is part of the "backstory" and the last bit, not the middle. I just don't see how they can fit in ether of those and have them be as emotion-inducing as the original/LN.

Also added "as much" to my post.

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#242: Jul 18th 2012 at 3:22:02 AM

I have good news, and good news. Argo makes an appearance in the preview for the third episode.(see? two good news in one go.) Squeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#243: Jul 18th 2012 at 3:59:16 AM

...that's kind of weird. Why cut her out of the only story where she's even marginally important if they plan on having her appear elsewhere?

Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#244: Jul 18th 2012 at 4:01:37 AM

maybe to avoid pointless fanservice to prevent people from having wrong impression of this show? I dunno.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#245: Jul 18th 2012 at 4:27:19 AM

Hmm... I guess I'm going to check out the LN when I have the time. I'll be going in with low expectations.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#246: Jul 21st 2012 at 5:10:45 PM

So, new episode (I'll be saving the LN for after the anime's run).

I couldn't decide whether to laugh or cry when I read "within ten seconds" on the screen.

edited 21st Jul '12 5:11:02 PM by burnpsy

Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#247: Jul 21st 2012 at 6:51:41 PM

... That was a good adaptation in my opinion. And it is followed directly by the black swordsman.

also, Argo shows up! worth a lot of points in my book.

Eat your words, Belian!(Unless there is someone here who has something to complain about this adaptation. Whereupon I'll need to eat mine.) admittedly they left out WHY the item was there, you know, the item storage sharing part, but the emotional points were still there

@ Burnpsy: yeah, that part was like that in the LN too. For me, It was heart wrenching because the LN described in detail the trouble Kirito went through to get that object. in fact, kirito was so frustrated in the LN he tried to break it

Wonder why Rudolph the Red nosed raindeer was only hummed instead of sung in full in the LN. Maybe the Voice actor can't sing in english?

edited 21st Jul '12 7:31:06 PM by Pryun

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#248: Jul 21st 2012 at 7:17:37 PM

It's probably for the best.

Honestly, I was surprised at how decent it was, but I still think rushing through this stuff probably wasn't the best idea.

Pryun Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#249: Jul 21st 2012 at 7:19:06 PM

This episode doesn't feel rushed to me...

Thrombin excellent Since: Jun, 2010
excellent
#250: Jul 21st 2012 at 7:21:46 PM

The voice actor would probably mangle the lyrics, generating immense amount of narm in the process.

The adaptation is fine, if really fast. A few things here and there got glossed over... it would be nice if there was more time for introspection.


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