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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#3476: Aug 10th 2023 at 6:27:40 AM

Assuming it's not The Burglar, Spider-Man's nemesis would be Chameleon.

Fantastic Four, Mole Man.

Thor, Stone Men from Saturn.

Iron man needed a WHILE to get anything resembling a decent villain.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#3477: Aug 10th 2023 at 8:07:36 AM

Dr. Death at least has cool name tongue

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#3478: Aug 10th 2023 at 8:12:38 AM

Shredder at least looks like he's from a Ninja story, so it makes sense that he would be the chosen villain for the Ninja Turtles. And he looks cool just from the image alone.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#3479: Aug 10th 2023 at 8:58:10 AM

Speaking of Shredder's appearance, it wasn't really "out there" either, because it worked in live action. That costume, combined with the acting made the 1990 movie Shredder truly menacing.

I also want to point out that Ninja Turtles was originally just going to be one issue, so of course they killed off the villain, there was never going to be an issue two. But then the comic sold and sold, so they decided to make more, and after a wile they regretted killing Shredder, cuz he was great, so they brought him back.

Edited by WillKeaton on Aug 10th 2023 at 10:01:10 AM

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#3480: Aug 10th 2023 at 10:01:31 AM

Well it was more of a "sort of" comeback through a worm cluster monster, the real deal stayed dead

Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, ngl
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3481: Aug 10th 2023 at 10:11:59 AM

Didn't care for Rise much when it started, but I gave it a chance and it did grow on me as time went on.

This is my story when it comes to Rise as well. I only just started watching it, because little by little, I heard how over the top it was, and when I found out it got a movie, I finally decided to give it a look.

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JunkAction Since: Jan, 2023
#3482: Aug 10th 2023 at 11:07:30 AM

[up][up]Technically. At the time, he was treated as the real Shredder, despite the worm stuff. He had Shredder's memories, personality, and looked exactly like him. When the turtles confronted him, they acted like they were finally putting an end to their nemesis, not just dealing with an imposter.

It was only in later years that they seemed to change their mind about this and say that the real Shredder never came back after the first issue.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3483: Aug 10th 2023 at 5:54:55 PM

I just watched episode 10 of Rise.

Our heroes save the day by singing so badly, an evil robot army commits suicide.

Also, it dawns on me that Raphael's burlier design might be a nod to the Bay-Turtles.

Which is a brave move, honestly, considering they're the Bay-Turtles (though I actually kinda liked Out of the Shadows).

....think we'll ever see an 86/03/12/Rise crossover.

Obviously, we have Turtles Forever, and the 2012 series crossed over with the original series as well, but bringing all four together would be interesting....or a repeat of Turtles Forever.

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IvanovTroping97 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#3484: Aug 10th 2023 at 9:58:58 PM

[up] They'll probably have to recast some of the 2003 Turtles' voices, kind of like what happened with the 1987 Turtles in Turtles Forever.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#3485: Aug 10th 2023 at 10:05:23 PM

4kids back in the 2000s were strict on having local new york talent voice for all their shows. It's what caused the Sonic cast to get recast.

In the current year, people are much more willing to let someone record from another state. Wayne Grayson and Greg Abbey have been in mostly LA-based cartoons.

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#3486: Aug 11th 2023 at 2:33:48 AM

Also, it dawns on me that Raphael's burlier design might be a nod to the Bay-Turtles.

Which is a brave move, honestly, considering they're the Bay-Turtles (though I actually kinda liked Out of the Shadows).

I generally prefer my Turtles on the smaller side, like they are in most incarnations. But I'm fine with Raph in Rise being so much bulkier than the other three, because it fits his character as a Papa Wolf elder brother. In the Roninverse there is a similar clear difference in size and shape with the new generation of Turtles, with Odyn being a huge bulky snapping turtle and Uno looking like an albino-version of Leo in Rise.

....think we'll ever see an 86/03/12/Rise crossover.

I've seen some fan-made screenshots for a hypothetical crossover between 1987 and Rise. Looks pretty nice and I could see the styles of these shows meshing very well together.

If there is a crossover featuring the 2003 team, then I have a feeling that they might get a similar treatment as the 1987 Turtles got in Turtles Forever. I'm talking a general Flanderization of the tone and style of their show, taking the piss out of that show's Darker and Edgier moments and digs at them "trying too hard" on that front. Raph especially might get called out on it, like he kept badgering the 1987 Turtles, until the Mirage Turtles put him at his place. I could see Raph from Rise take offense at how angry and abrasive 2003-Raph can be, especially when he does so towards his Mikey. Rise-Raph might even take 2003-Michaelangelo under his wing.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3487: Aug 11th 2023 at 7:51:36 AM

That's interesting, because once both the 1987 Turtles and the 2003 Turtles met the original comic book turtles, it became clear that, rather than being the Darker and Edgier Turtles, the 2003 group were more of a middle ground (they may have been closer to the original comics than their predecessors, but they still had the multi-coloured bandanas, and some pretty silly adventures themselves).

Kinda like how Teen Titans Go! vs. Teen Titans revealed that the 2003 Titans were more of a middle ground between Go and the actual Darker and Edgier Titans of the DC Universe Animated Original Movies verse.

Them being seen as posers by later versions would certainly be a twist.

Huh. It'd be really interesting if the 87 Turtles references their meetings with the 2003 and 2012 versions (and the other two sides also remembered, leaving the Rise Turtles as the ones unused to multiverse shenanigans).

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#3488: Aug 11th 2023 at 8:08:37 AM

I feel like Turtles Forever and Trans-Dimensional turtles are mutually exclusive. They can't both be happening.

Shredder and Krang are for blowing up the universe in the 2012 one but not the 03 one, for starters.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3489: Aug 11th 2023 at 9:50:14 AM

Fair enough. I completely lost track of 2012, so I actually didn't know how that crossover with their 87 counterparts went down, only that it happened in the first place.

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#3490: Aug 11th 2023 at 10:06:13 AM

[up][up] Funnily enough Krang Subprime lampshaded that was a bonehedead idea of both Shredder and Krang unlike 2003 being deliberate about it

Edited by VengefulBale on Aug 11th 2023 at 12:09:18 PM

Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, ngl
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#3491: Aug 11th 2023 at 10:14:51 AM

[up][up]It's very much a case of two sets of writing teams getting the same plot and having completely different ideas for how the story goes.

It's probably too late now, but if we got a Rise Crossover, I'd also play that as though it was the first time anyone was doing that storyline.

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This is going to be so much fun.
#3492: Aug 12th 2023 at 3:28:11 AM

Did a bunch of 2k3 voice actors retire or something?

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#3493: Aug 12th 2023 at 5:30:25 AM

The entire lead cast is still active in the voice acting scene.

If the other two crossovers are any indication, they'd only be taking the turtles and Shredder anyway, so it's not like we'd need every single actor back.

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Goku Black
#3494: Aug 12th 2023 at 5:53:49 AM

Ngl it was weird. They didn't appear Where the actors busy ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Trooper924 from the Spawn Nebula Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
#3495: Aug 12th 2023 at 6:51:29 AM

I recall reading somewhere that there was some kind of rights issue with the 2k3 Turtles that was preventing Nickelodeon from re-releasing their series, so maybe that's also preventing them from being used in crossovers.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#3496: Aug 12th 2023 at 8:26:05 AM

The whole 2003 series is on Paramount+, so no, there isn't anything blocking a release.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#3497: Aug 12th 2023 at 8:54:33 AM

Not to mention, they used 2k3 Leonardo in the Paramount+ promotions, and recently released a full series set for the 2K3 series.

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#3498: Aug 12th 2023 at 9:44:21 AM

[up]Good to see the show finally get a proper release.

According to the What Could Have Been for Rise, the original plan for hypothetical seasons 3 and 4 would have featured first the Krang as main villains, followed by the Rat King. We got the Krang in the movie, but I can't help but be curious about Rise's take on the Rat King. With the bigger focus on mysticism, I think he could have been like the version seen in the IDW comic, a godlike Trickster Archetype, out to cause havoc out of boredom.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#3499: Aug 12th 2023 at 10:08:13 AM

I still find it funny that Rise's animation studio later did Moon Girl and that show had a villain named Rat King.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#3500: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:46:57 AM

Rat King was also going to be the Big Bad of Mutant Mayhem according to a leaked animatic. He hasn't had much luck in adaptations recently, it seems.

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