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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#3326: Mar 7th 2023 at 1:25:04 PM

I wouldn't give it too much thought

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#3327: Mar 7th 2023 at 1:26:38 PM

You have a point.

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JunkAction Since: Jan, 2023
#3328: Mar 7th 2023 at 3:40:01 PM

I do think a lot of the versions of TMNT tend to go overboard on the mutants. Some is fine, but there's such a thing as too much of a good thing. The 2012 cartoon was possibly the worst about this. It reached a point where it seemed like almost everyone on that show was a mutant. Or an alien.

It sort of reminds me of the saying "if everyone is special, then no one is special".

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#3329: Mar 7th 2023 at 3:43:51 PM

that saying is from The Incredibles more specifically from the villain Syndrome

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JunkAction Since: Jan, 2023
#3330: Mar 7th 2023 at 4:37:12 PM

Is that the original source of the quote? I could swear I heard it somewhere else.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#3331: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:17:26 PM

Its probably not but it's how he justifies his actions so it's where most people know it from

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gremlin21 Leader of the hoard from I have no idea Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#3332: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:26:36 PM

I'm a bit miffed about Jackie Chan voicing Splinter, it feels like they should have gotten a Japanese actor or someone of Japanese descent. The cast is already stacked with recognizable names, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt the movie's marketability.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#3333: Mar 7th 2023 at 6:11:13 PM

With how young the turtles look here I wonder if the intention is for them to grow up as the show goes on, looking steadily different over time

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Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#3334: Mar 7th 2023 at 8:27:49 PM

April is some real /r/13or30 material here.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#3335: Mar 8th 2023 at 5:15:30 AM

[up] If you're trying to say that it's hard to tell if she's roughly the same age as the Turtles a la 2012 and Rise April or older like in the 80s and 2003 variants, then I agree.

Actually, it just hit me. Didn't a TMNT fan comic by Josie Campbell (who actually has written/drawn official TMNT comics for IDW) have an April that shared physical attributions with Mutant Mayhem April?

It's probably coincidence, but...

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#3336: Mar 8th 2023 at 6:16:08 AM

Word of Saint Paul: Donnie's VA, Micah Abbey, claims the his character is a late bloomer. Abbey's also 15, so maybe it's an Actor-Inspired Element?

I'm also probably overthinking it, but the way April is holding and jotting notes on a notebook, and asking questions, makes me think she could be a School Newspaper Newshound? This adaptation seems to still be beholden to following some conventions of the '87 series, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Mar 8th 2023 at 12:05:38 PM

JunkAction Since: Jan, 2023
#3337: Mar 8th 2023 at 7:37:43 AM

[up]I assume you meant late bloomer?

This adaptation seems to still be beholden to following some conventions of the '87 series

Aren't pretty much all the Nick TMNT cartoons to some degree? It kind of makes me wish they would just go all the way with it, and do a full blown reboot of the 80s cartoon, similar to what they're doing with the 90s X-Men cartoon. It seems like that's what they really want to do, but they keep trying to disguise it.

Its also clear that its going to be a long time before they do anything that's not in that vein, like the 2003 cartoon, or the 2007 movie.

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#3338: Mar 8th 2023 at 9:29:31 AM

[up][up][up]I assume that she's supposed to be a teenager again since this is just copying the trend, but she really doesn't look it to me.

Edited by Grounder on Mar 8th 2023 at 9:29:53 AM

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#3339: Mar 8th 2023 at 9:56:21 AM

A direct Sequel to 86 would be interesting. NGL. Introducing concepts and characters from other parts of the franchise into it. Some stuff would need to be changed. Shredder hasn't been depicted as A loser since than lik ever so he would need to take a boost.

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#3340: Mar 8th 2023 at 10:01:15 AM

I'd love to see an '87 version of Karai, I could see that going in funny directions for sure.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#3341: Mar 8th 2023 at 10:23:01 AM

I'd love to see 87 Shredder be the father of a Karai. Other Shredders are dads, but they are all dour, brutal, never-have-any-fun people. 87 Shredder was much more human, an I'd like to see him try his hand at raising a teenage daughter. One who probably has a crush on Leo, which Shredder definitely wouldn't approve of.

Edited by WillKeaton on Mar 8th 2023 at 11:36:10 AM

JunkAction Since: Jan, 2023
#3342: Mar 8th 2023 at 10:33:08 AM

The 80s cartoon did have Lotus Blossom, who was a lot like Karai, and even had a crush on Leonardo. Although, she wasn't Shredder's daughter. In fact, he saw her as more of a rival.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#3343: Mar 8th 2023 at 10:33:18 AM

The 87 Shredder is just kind of really lame and goofy.

I prefer the other ones for being actually menacing and cool.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 8th 2023 at 10:33:31 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#3344: Mar 8th 2023 at 10:35:23 AM

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In fact, I think I heard that Lotus Blossom may have predated Karai and possibly inspired her.

Don't quote me on that however.

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#3345: Mar 8th 2023 at 10:37:58 AM

She actually did. Lotus Blossom's debut episode aired in 1989, while Karai's first appearance in the Mirage comics was in 1992. I don't know if Eastman and Laird were directly inspired by Lotus to create Karai however. It's known that they didn't avidly watch the 87 show, so they probably weren't.

Edited by lbssb on Mar 8th 2023 at 1:42:00 PM

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#3346: Mar 8th 2023 at 12:13:56 PM

I would definitely make Karai the competent one as a foil to Shredder's dumbness.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#3347: Mar 8th 2023 at 1:10:40 PM

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Yeah. That sounds right. Have Eastman and Laird ever talked about it?

As I understand it, the shorter a gap is between two similar concepts, the less likely it is that one idea was copied to create the other.

It's the reason that the similarities between the original Doom Patrol and the original X-Men (team of freaks that fights for a world that hates and fears them, lead by a man in a wheel chair) are waived off.

Three years is a long enough time for them to hear about Lotus, maybe consider trying her their way, and coming up with Karai and how they want to use her.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#3348: Mar 8th 2023 at 1:21:21 PM

Karai having a thing for Leo comes from the 03 show, so it's more likely that the cartoon writers took inspiration from Lotus than the comic writers.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#3349: Mar 8th 2023 at 1:26:30 PM

I mean, the 2003 writers did have the people behind the comic behind it, so...

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#3350: Mar 8th 2023 at 4:09:00 PM

I imagine that an '87 version of Karai would be a Punch-Clock Villain. She helps out with Shredder's evil plans, but only because he's her dad and only when it doesn't interfere with her personal time. And unlike her father, she doesn't have anything against the Turtles and actually enjoys fighting them.

And as an aside, I'm also getting the funny mental image of '87 Shredder and Krang trying to teach Karai how to drive the Technodrome.


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