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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#227: Mar 17th 2012 at 4:21:47 AM

Yes, it's been mentioned here already. That's what we're talking about.

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sirnoob Smárling Lendrmaðsson Since: Jan, 2011
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#228: Mar 17th 2012 at 9:05:12 AM

WELP.

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Bluesunnyday Big Scientist from The Blue Lagoon Since: Apr, 2011
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#229: Mar 17th 2012 at 10:52:32 AM

Yknow, this probably could have gone much better. Also, I'm rather ticked off about the whole "They're not being 100% transparent about where our money is going! They should just tell us everything!"

Also, yes, the stress probably DID get to him. Who knows how many people started hating him after he made that video and spread it around?

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MrW from some place Since: Sep, 2010
#230: Mar 17th 2012 at 1:37:26 PM

Charlie Brooker basically destroys Invisible Children's tactics.

lordGacek Since: Jan, 2001
#231: Mar 17th 2012 at 2:30:44 PM

I didn't read the thread, so I don't know if it's been mentioned. I just drop in to say that folks over here appear kinda skeptical of that whole Kony idea, given that oil reserves have been found in Uganda couple of years ago. The joke on the metaphorical street is that the USA is always willing to introduce democracy, send peacekeepers, and so on to places where oil's been discovered. cool

Edit reason: was unclear.

edited 17th Mar '12 2:34:29 PM by lordGacek

BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#232: Mar 17th 2012 at 2:54:31 PM

Interesting how they sing about "ending the war without a gun", when, ahem.

Actually, I think that's the worst thing about this campaign; it's promoting itself as some peaceful, easy, risk-free goal (Send money! Raise awareness!) when the actual aims are military.

Although Brooker's right; the supporters do look eerily like child soldiers in the video. The scene with him not-properly-explaining Kony to his son was also creepily reminiscent of indoctrination.

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#233: Mar 17th 2012 at 7:45:07 PM

The peacekeeping effort's currently focused on the countries around Uganda: the DR Congo (whose resource curse is not oil but minerals), the Central African Republic (few resources), and South Sudan (and here's where the oil focus breaks down: if we really wanted to focus on oil we'd be focusing on Sudan proper).

Quite frankly, while there are and always will be disputes over resources like oil, it's overly cynical and very inaccurate to suggest that they drive all the diplomacy and military ventures in the world.

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#234: Mar 18th 2012 at 2:44:32 AM

[up][up] That was a stupid photo, no doubt. But they mentioned that in their replies, and they recognized that it was a stupid photo — basically, they had some free time during one of their visits, and they thought it was a funny idea. Misguided, definitely, but not something particularly problematic.

In any case, now that I have read a bit on the topic, I find myself agreeing that this initiative was probably not as well thought out as it could have been.

But I must say, I am a bit disappointed that what finished it was something irrelevant like one of the spokespeople flipping out and getting arrested...

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
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#235: Mar 18th 2012 at 3:47:54 AM

^ That they thought that excused the photo merely highlights the problem, actually, because yeah, sure, they aren't the ones doing the fighting. To their happy-clappy Western supporters they're a peaceful cause that's easily supported, but those donations and action kits are meant to ultimately fund military action, and the Ugandan military itself has a dreadful human rights record. To talk about saving the world without a gun is disingenuous at the very least.

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#236: Mar 18th 2012 at 3:54:15 AM

Well, they were pretty clear that they were supporting military actions in order to stop Kony. One may discuss whether this is what is really needed (and I can agree with you that it probably isn't, or at least that it is not that simple) but I cannot accuse them of lying on that.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
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#237: Mar 18th 2012 at 4:21:24 AM

One can't accuse them of lying about that in their latest video, no, but I was talking about one of their previous ones.

I feel that the attitude is still there, though. What can we do? Wear wrist bands! Put up posters! I know what they said in the video, but the focus is still overwhelmingly on beaming white people standing around, waving banners and chanting.

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#238: Mar 23rd 2012 at 7:22:10 PM

Kony 2012, campaign in hindsight: now that all the hubbub's died down, perhaps it's time for a post-mortem on objectives, narratives, and tasks accomplished and not.

This is a high-level Ugandan official's response to the whole thing; he actually had the role of negotiating with Joseph Kony. And this is another postmortem of the whole thing, including the review of the latest news that Congressional support is going forth for AFRICOM's adviser deployment and that the AU is considering deployment of a peacekeeping force there, and a discussion of the big picture.

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jackedup85 jackedup85 from The Principality of Zeon Since: Jan, 2012
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#239: Apr 23rd 2012 at 1:21:29 PM

Wow. Looks like the "Cover The Night" wasn't as historical as it was hyped to be. Looks like almost everyone just lost interest after Jason Russell's meltdown and all, although I'm honestly surprised some still tried to bring attention to the issue.

UPDATE: Just read about the "Cover The Night" campaign in Vancouver. Out of the 21,000 who said they would attend the event on Facebook, only 17 showed up. Not to sound like a troll, but to call that a pathetic turn-out would be an understatement

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#240: Apr 23rd 2012 at 1:22:44 PM

Dammmit, I was going to threadsurrect this!

Anyway, there's about one poster in Southampton. And one poster in Manchester.

That is all within Britain.

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#241: Apr 23rd 2012 at 1:24:19 PM

Yeah, I came across two posters on my way to a mall, so it's being obscure.

Just goes to show that memes happen on their own. And even if they want to make Kony memetic, chances are that he would have been more of a Memetic Badass than a Memetic Monster.

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#242: Apr 23rd 2012 at 1:30:47 PM

Actually, the thing about long counterinsurgency campaigns—and this is what it looks like—is that they tend not to attract attention. There's only so many newspaper stories you can write about villages unplundered, after all.

That said, I can't find any news about the promised 5000-person AU deployment to South Sudan and the CAR. My guess is that they're caught up in wrangling—again—about who sends what troops.

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#243: Apr 23rd 2012 at 1:50:43 PM

Dammmit, I was going to threadsurrect this!

I was going to resurrect it 2 days ago but didn't think anyone would post (or if anyone did they'd just ask why I revived the thread).

Anyway, I actually saw a Kony 2012 poster Saturday. I'm pretty sure it's the only one in the area since I didn't see it until 2pm and haven't seen one since.

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#244: Apr 23rd 2012 at 2:33:09 PM

I think I saw two. One was covering a street sign, which I think you aren't supposed to do.

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#245: Apr 23rd 2012 at 4:54:38 PM

I saw two at the highschool.

They were gone within 24 hours.

Bet you didn't see that coming
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#246: Apr 23rd 2012 at 7:09:36 PM

Maybe if they picked a day other than 4/20, when everyones more concerned about getting high...

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Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#247: Apr 23rd 2012 at 7:15:00 PM

Or posted the video before that day so that its still fresh in people's minds when 4/20 comes rolling.

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#248: Apr 23rd 2012 at 7:21:30 PM

Like I said, not much for outsiders to do. The Ugandan-led AU brigade that's supposed to form has, apparently, disappeared; meanwhile, the hundred or so AFRICOM trainers continue to slowly do their business, and local forces still continue to slowly pinch off Kony's territory. (For all that that matters; suspicion is that local banditti acting in the usual ways that bandits do—rape, kidnap children for recruits, plunder, and kill—people just assume they're LRA, to the point where most of the damage is done by small bandit groups instead of the LRA.)

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MrDolomite Since: Feb, 2010
#249: Apr 23rd 2012 at 8:38:17 PM

I saw a Kony 2012 thing on an electronic bilboard.

Of course that would probably light up the night instead of cover it.

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#250: Apr 24th 2012 at 12:00:33 AM

I'm on the staff of the satire magazine at our university. The cover of our semesterly issue was "Boloney 2012" and we decided to cover the campus with them on the appointed night. Everyone I've talked to liked the Boloney posters/magazine cover, but not a single Kony poster in sight. sad

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