Language, please. If you want to crusade for decency, you should start by not swearing like a sailor in a "Family Friendly" forum.
Cool your jets there. While there many be a ocean of different politically between the two it still part of the same problem of deciding what work of fiction is 'going to far' for tv tropes.
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Granted, though still slightly missing the point. I'm no Moral Guardian , not in the sense the trope describes it, anyway. I couldn't care less about depictions of sex or cursing or whatever. But works condoning abuse, rape and torture? That's another thing all together.
But you have to admit, "You Prude!" has been thrown around here a lot as a sorta convenient catch-all defence...
edited 6th Apr '12 7:27:50 PM by Octo
Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken. Unrelated ME1 FanficThe immediate issue is Google's standards in regards to hosting ads. A work being misogynist or being crappy is tangent to that, and for now we need to focus on the current problem. Once that is worked out, then you can campaign against works you don't think are appropriate.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)We're still not condoning the work by being pure neutral about it. That makes absolutely no sense.
That's false. So no, there is no problem.
Sorry about the prude stuff, but we're specifically going for a No Lewdness No Prudishness policy. Taking down works because they're about sex is prudish in that way. It would be the same for taking down normal works because they're not sexy enough.
They actually can't host Ads on those pages anyway. So it's not as much of a problem as people are making it.
edited 6th Apr '12 8:07:41 PM by Hydronix
Quest 64 threadI brought this up on another thread. I hate this defense because it disallows any serious thought on whether a work is acceptable or not.
"Hey guys, this rape trope is looking—"
"PRUDE!"
People have said it so much it's lost all meaning and all it does is make those people look like perverts that can't identify R-rated content. It damages our ability to clean up this wiki which is now, with the Google ads crisis, more important than ever!
The problem is that a lot of the people who have been advocating the most severe cuts to the questionable material have been doing so in a very...shall we say, over-the-top manner that's coming across as more Moral Guardian-ish than constructive, along with leveling accusations of creepiness and perversity to the people wanting that material kept.
edited 6th Apr '12 7:37:46 PM by Willbyr
Yes you do have a point there, it is a overused strawman.
personally I think we just need to make it clear that tvtropes.org does not necessarily endorse 'hot'∂ works.
edited 6th Apr '12 7:38:35 PM by joeyjojo
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You'll notice few of the people who called others out on creepiness have helped with the cleanup though.
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Pretty much this.
We got it clear what's allowed. Now let's make sure people understand that we don't condone that crap regardless.
Quest 64 threadThat's true. What we need to do is take a step back and think about what those tropes do for our wiki. We have about fifty rape tropes, for Chrissakes. It's hard to maintain a acceptable and friendly image for this site when we obsessively catalog rape like it's going out of style. I know we're supposed to be documentors not judges but every trope page we make is part of the site's image. We can throw up our arms and say we just document works and we don't endorse any behaviour, but not many people are going to believe that when we have fifty rape pages.
If I was new to TV Tropes and saw the Rape Tropes index, I'd assume that a lot of the editors like it. That's my stance- what most newcomers would expect.
edited 6th Apr '12 7:55:13 PM by Akagikiba
We have pages for all kinds of negative tropes besides just rape; singling them out is just being pedantic. If it exists as a trope, it's the wiki's job to catalogue it, except for the two issues that Eddie has deemed off limits. Our job right now is to neutralize the bad ones as much as we can.
Thank you.
edited 6th Apr '12 7:58:14 PM by Willbyr
30 Rape Tropes (and many are misplaced since they have nothing to do with rape) within thousands of other tropes that are about the most innocent things are hardly indicative of the wiki. It's like saying everyone on the forums is a pervert because the Fetishes thread exists.
edited 6th Apr '12 7:57:15 PM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerWhy are people who, they assure me, are not prudes arguing that we should remove tropes related to and works prominently featuring sex even if having those pages isn't causing problems with advertizers?
The child is father to the man —OedipusThat's less than 3% of what we have. Best we can do is trim and de-creepify it as well as rename. Oh, wait, we're doing that already.
Issue is solved. No cutting required whatsoever.
edited 6th Apr '12 8:05:51 PM by Hydronix
Quest 64 threadOf course it will come up again, since we aren't addressing the underlying problems at all. We're just dressing them up nicely so it will look okay to Google. For now.
Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken. Unrelated ME1 FanficYou know, it is crises like these that make me wish that we had an equivalent to Wikipedia's Wikimedia Foundation, which (AFAIK, at least) allows it enough financial indepedence to not have to worry about the plug being pulled on it by outside parties like we do.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Special Efforts thread for cleaning up the Rape Tropes
. Seriously, our examples list for some of these are way too long.
