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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#851: Mar 19th 2012 at 4:19:22 PM

[up][up]Well, sure, hereafter, but I can't do anything about the note I left yesterday.

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KaiserMazoku Since: Apr, 2011
#852: Mar 22nd 2012 at 4:02:40 AM

Why did the I See London examples get cut? Those are underwear examples for comedic effect.

Sorry if the answer was already given earlier in this thread but I'm not reading through 35 pages.

edited 22nd Mar '12 4:03:03 AM by KaiserMazoku

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#853: Mar 22nd 2012 at 4:08:49 AM

So Pokegirls has an Eddie-approved trigger warning above the examples section. Think we should consider spreading those out to some of our other articles on... uhh... innovative works like United States Angels Corps?

edited 22nd Mar '12 4:10:17 AM by Iaculus

What's precedent ever done for us?
inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#855: Mar 22nd 2012 at 6:10:20 AM

[up][up] "Trigger warning"? All I see is a warning passage before the tropes list.

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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
Anwalt der Verdammten
#856: Mar 22nd 2012 at 6:13:18 AM

Which is what a trigger warning is.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#857: Mar 22nd 2012 at 6:14:04 AM

... And what does "trigger" mean in this context?

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CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#858: Mar 22nd 2012 at 6:14:08 AM

[up]We're not supposed have Trigger warnings, we had a thread and discussion about that. That should be removed.

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
Anwalt der Verdammten
#859: Mar 22nd 2012 at 6:14:44 AM

Well, Eddie wanted it there, and it's his Wiki.

Honestly, in my opinion: Shit like this makes my stomach do backflips. These are works utterly devoid of meaningful content, (*Unlike, say, things like Salo, which actualy have legitimate content*), and we shouldn't have pages on them.

edited 22nd Mar '12 6:21:42 AM by inane242

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#860: Mar 22nd 2012 at 6:16:20 AM

Then he should edit the Trigger page to accomodate that, because it clearly says "no Trigger warnings on any page except Fanfic Recs".

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#861: Mar 22nd 2012 at 6:42:27 AM

@inane 242: That's not how TV Tropes rolls. Because some people don't like certain works or find the contents of some works objectionable doesn't mean they can't be documented here.

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animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#862: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:21:48 AM

[up]

True. Otherwise, we'd never have any works up here. I'm sure someone wouldn't want Fruits Basket because they don't like anime or crossdressers...

Firebert That One Guy from Somewhere in Illinois Since: Jan, 2001
That One Guy
#863: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:27:06 AM

I shudder to think who actually wants the Angel Corps thing here.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#864: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:28:46 AM

Anyone who cares for the story? It's policy here that we don't deny a work a page just because it's offensive, pornographic, violent etc. We just can't show the incriminated content.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#865: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:32:49 AM

Like I've said before, there's too much of an "us vs them" dichotomy being created here.

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
Anwalt der Verdammten
#866: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:33:48 AM

That's not how TV Tropes rolls.

I've noticed.

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Firebert That One Guy from Somewhere in Illinois Since: Jan, 2001
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#868: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:37:20 AM

Killing offensive works isn't a good option. We open up all cans of worms about what kind of work passes and what doesn't if we do. Anyone can be potentially offended by anything. Just look at our Unfortunate Implications pages.

By that reasoning, one can make a case about nuking Mein Kampf or anything similar. We are just documenting stuff. Isn't that the mission of the wiki?

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Lost in Space
#869: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:39:01 AM

Yes. Our job is emphatically to document the use of tropes in media. All media, not just the media we find sufficiently mainstream or tasteful.

Edit: To elaborate, it is our mission to present the facts as they stand. It is up to our readers to decide if they approve of the works or not. If a work features reprehensible sexual content, well, those are facts about it.

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:41:17 AM by Fighteer

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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
Anwalt der Verdammten
#870: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:40:11 AM

Mein Kampf is a historically relevant document.

I don't have a problem with offensive material, I have a problem with offensive material that has no other salient qualities than appealing to prurient interest.

[up]Why don't we trope pornos?

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:40:31 AM by inane242

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#871: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:41:41 AM

Why? It's still a story, and we are all about that. Doesn't matter if Fanservice is the only thing that makes the story up, it's still a story.

Never mind that objectionable content is usually subjective.

[up]We DO trope pornos. Porn Tropes, anyone?

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:42:07 AM by SeptimusHeap

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#872: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:42:56 AM

[up][up]We trope H Games, and our Porn Tropes make reference to a number of well-known porn films. In the end it comes down to someone being willing to write an article for the work in question that meets our standards.

It's not that Debbie Does Dallas 34 isn't notable, it's just that it's probably not distinctive enough that anyone thought it merited an article.

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:45:14 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#873: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:43:17 AM

We trope Hentai. Plenty of blue links. So we trope porn.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#874: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:44:00 AM

Say, what is TV Tropes' policy toward pornography?

It's only a question, but what if someone wants to make a page for a video that undoubtedly porn? It's called "XXX" porn, it's on a porn site, and it's like any other porn video, except it possesses a story structure of some sort. Or not even that. It might just have a few Costume Tropes or character types.

Is it allowed if the creator of the page manages to write a decent description and find at least three non-omnipresent tropes for it?

Personally, I wouldn't object, but I'm not sure how other people would. I'm not the type to really react to some of the iffier works, like Pokegirls, but we must have some sort of line where people start getting too uncomfortable.

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:46:39 AM by chihuahua0

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#875: Mar 22nd 2012 at 7:46:12 AM

The question is whether it's possible to write an article that meets our editorial standards. As most porn lacks any kind of meaningful plot, that's rather difficult and most people don't bother. Never mind the embarrassment of being identified as the person who wrote the article.

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:49:19 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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