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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#176: Mar 5th 2012 at 12:50:14 PM

Cows I'm not so sure, but pigs are certainly more understandable of being more closer to humans in value.

And also, I believe specifically that "destroying one life is equally as bad as destroying many, or destroying any number of lives is equally bad, regardless of what that number is", I think that suffering and pain can be quantified so reducing the amount of torture is better.

Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
Is that cake frosting?
#177: Mar 5th 2012 at 12:55:38 PM

I consider animal life to be of incommensurably less worth than human life, myself. If I had to slaughter ten billion puppies in order to save a single human life, I would do so cheerfully (well, perhaps not cheerfully, but I would do that).

But this does not mean that I do not value animal life at all. I would not kill a puppy for my personal amusement. And while I am not vegetarian, I must admit that I am somewhat uneasy at the idea of, say, a pig or a cow dying for what is basically just my enjoyment...

edited 5th Mar '12 1:01:03 PM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#178: Mar 5th 2012 at 1:01:36 PM

I'd pick the puppies. Many adorable and smart puppies or one human?

Now if they were cats there would be no hesitation.

I support the cat regime. GO CATS. TAKE OVER THE WORLD.

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FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#179: Mar 5th 2012 at 2:18:10 PM

Note to self: if Emberverse-type event happens, threaten to feed marauders to cats.*

Also, purchase manually-operated grinder.

edited 5th Mar '12 2:21:38 PM by FarseerLolotea

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#180: Mar 5th 2012 at 3:48:46 PM

Even if the universal value of human life and animal life were equivalent, as humans we would have an overriding obligation to protect our own in most circumstances.

Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#181: Mar 5th 2012 at 7:15:04 PM

[up]I disagree. I don't think you are valuing two things equally when you have a preference for saving one over another. That's like me saying "I value person A and person B equally, but when I have to choose who is to survive I'll pick person A and I choose person B to die."

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#182: Mar 5th 2012 at 7:17:52 PM

Deleted for double posting

edited 5th Mar '12 7:33:00 PM by IraTheSquire

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#183: Mar 5th 2012 at 8:54:57 PM

I said a universal value, not a personal value.

Yes, my father and somebody I've never met before have lives that are equally valuable in the Grand Scheme of Things. However, I have more of a personal attachment to my father, making the choice a bit easier.

Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
ekuseruekuseru 名無しさん from Australia Since: Oct, 2009
名無しさん
#184: Mar 6th 2012 at 12:39:30 AM

It's a sensible argument as long as it's applicable. It's the same as an argument that's appropriate for use against people who demand that animal abusers be tortured or executed or whatever.

edited 6th Mar '12 12:39:42 AM by ekuseruekuseru

scythemantis first insect politician from Oregon Since: Nov, 2009
first insect politician
#185: Mar 6th 2012 at 2:16:50 PM

I don't think people should have to justify their reasons for eating or not eating meat. I love animals, but I eat meat and never even felt like I needed to rationalize it. Some people love animals and decide don't want to eat them. I think that's sweet and admirable and I'll fight anybody who picks on them for it! With words. On the internet where I can't get bruises.

I'm not entirely sure if I understand pescetarianism...is that usually just for health, or are there people who feel compassion for just terrestrial vertebrates? Healthwise, I don't think you get a whole lot different from fish but a few vitamins. Seafood's also pretty harsh on the ecosystem these days, but what food isn't?

edited 6th Mar '12 2:19:06 PM by scythemantis

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#186: Mar 6th 2012 at 2:32:54 PM

Well, personally, I only eat fish and chicken because I really don't like beef and pork.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
scythemantis first insect politician from Oregon Since: Nov, 2009
first insect politician
#187: Mar 6th 2012 at 2:41:24 PM

Oh, neither do I. I wouldn't call that a form of vegetarianism though.

About the only mammal tissues I've liked were goat from this one Indian place here, expensive but fantastically delicious.

I always wanted to be able to cut meat from my diet because it really is unhealthy to depend on animal parts for food, but I love poultry, sashimi and frog's legs too much.

I do enjoy various meat substitutes, though. Tofu can be prepared so many delicious ways, and I find tofu hot dogs tastier than meat ones. I also LOVE mushrooms prepared like meat, especially sauteed.

edited 6th Mar '12 2:43:55 PM by scythemantis

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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#188: Mar 6th 2012 at 2:43:32 PM

Indian food is always mysteriously delicious and unreasonably expensive. Chinese always seems to cost less, and uses very similar ingredients.

Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
Is that cake frosting?
#189: Mar 6th 2012 at 2:45:25 PM

Well, I'm not entirely pescetarian — I'm just trying to limit meat to one day per week — but in my case, my main concern is health. But there is also a compassion factor — I don't enjoy the idea of causing pain to any living being, but I find the idea of causing pain to high-intelligence animals especially distasteful. While some fish is pretty bright, most if it is nowhere close to your average mammal, I think; and the same, just even more so, can be said about shellfish (although not about cephalopod molluscs, obviously).

Land vs. sea is not really the issue: for example, I am pretty much OK with snails (jummy) but, as I said, I'd be a bit more uneasy eating octopus.

But I am pretty much making this up as I go along, I do not have any particularly well-developed theory here.

edited 6th Mar '12 2:45:53 PM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#190: Mar 6th 2012 at 2:46:15 PM

[up][up] Not to mention too much oil most of the time. :-/ My mum and I can cook the same dish using far less oil than most Chinese restaurants use.

edited 6th Mar '12 2:46:25 PM by IraTheSquire

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#191: Mar 6th 2012 at 2:54:20 PM

Oil and MSG make me a happy man, it would seem.

I really miss my favorite Chinese restaurant. But fortunately I'm going home for Spring break on Friday, so I might have some then!

Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#192: Mar 6th 2012 at 11:04:15 PM

Octopus is nice, but I find it a little ethically troublesome when I consider how smart cephalopods are. I would never eat oysters because, well, when we learnt about the structure in aquaculture classes it didn't sound very appealing at all.

Be not afraid...
FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#193: Mar 6th 2012 at 11:25:56 PM

Dammit, Scythe, you've gotten me wanting sashimi. I hope you're proud of yourself. tongue

...or I could blame watching How To Train Your Dragon and thinking Hiccup was a wimp for getting squicked by raw fish. (Although, in his defense, it had kitty dragon slobber on it.)

edited 6th Mar '12 11:46:18 PM by FarseerLolotea

scythemantis first insect politician from Oregon Since: Nov, 2009
first insect politician
#194: Mar 7th 2012 at 10:33:10 AM

There are crunchy squid rings from a particular Chinese place I love, but I do feel bad just because cephalopods are like THE most majestic perfect things in nature to me. Octopuses I'd feel a little worse about than squid perhaps, they're more playful and kitten-like while squids are all business.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#195: Mar 7th 2012 at 11:29:18 AM

Please. Everyone knows cuttlefish are where it's at.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
scythemantis first insect politician from Oregon Since: Nov, 2009
first insect politician
#196: Mar 7th 2012 at 3:33:26 PM

Yeah I guess I'd avoid them the same as octopus.

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FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#197: Mar 8th 2012 at 12:54:19 AM

One of my husband's co-workers is trying to do (IIRC) behavior studies on cuttlefish.

PinkamenaDianePie Stabby Stabby Party Pony from Sugarcube Corner Since: Dec, 2011
Stabby Stabby Party Pony
#198: Mar 8th 2012 at 1:07:58 AM

Cuttlefish are CYOOT~ /)^3^(\\\

edited 8th Mar '12 1:08:06 AM by PinkamenaDianePie

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#199: Mar 8th 2012 at 1:19:00 AM

[up]And delicious. tongue

<— Trolling since he never had cuttlefish in his life.

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#200: Mar 8th 2012 at 2:17:46 AM

Cuttle fish are adorable.

Be not afraid...

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