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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#26: Feb 26th 2012 at 10:54:53 PM

Shot to the centre of the forehead, usually. It's supposed to be instantaneous.

Unless it's poultry. I think the method of killing them is a bit less humane.

It's my belief that everybody who eats meat should go to a slaughterhouse at least once. If you want to eat it, you should face up to the realities of obtaining it.

Be not afraid...
Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#27: Feb 26th 2012 at 11:04:47 PM

It's supposed to be instantaneous.
If done properly, yes. I heard wildly differing accounts about how things go in slaughterhouses; if I had to guess, I'd say that most of them are reasonably humane, but there is the occasional slip-up,

It's my belief that everybody who eats meat should go to a slaughterhouse at least once. If you want to eat it, you should face up to the realities of obtaining it.
I am not sure if I agree with this. After all, I'm not required to visit a sewage plant in order to use a toilet... tongue

On a different topic: one thing I will have to pay attention to is that anemia is fairly common in my family. I personally don't seem to be affected, but both my mother and my brother are (my mum much more so than my brother). So I should probably pay a bit of attention at iron intake, just in case...

Well, we'll see — for now, things should be pretty safe, I'm not even giving up entirely on red meat.

edited 26th Feb '12 11:47:36 PM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#28: Feb 26th 2012 at 11:35:29 PM

The act of killing them is okay... well, mostly...

But the way so many of those animals are being treated before their death disgusts me.

@Westy's first post

Fail Troll fails. tongue

edited 26th Feb '12 11:36:35 PM by kay4today

FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29: Feb 26th 2012 at 11:36:27 PM

I went pescatarian for a while once—partly out of respect for a vegan roommate, but there were a few other reasons. And kept it up for a while after the roommate moved out, to tell the truth.

To tell the truth, I think the main reason I dropped it is because it was expensive.

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#30: Feb 26th 2012 at 11:41:17 PM

It's hard to do pescetarian diet in some parts of the USA. I'm in Pittsburgh at the moment, and I refuse to eat seafood here, it'd have to be frozen for at least two days, and that doesn't really fly with me when it comes to fish or shellfish (I'm not a big lobster guy, so the tanked lobsters don't do much for me).

Of course, I'm spoiled, I live a minute from the beach by car usually. I usually walk to the beach, but I've only timed it by car, so don't go thinking I'm THAT lazy.

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ekuseruekuseru 名無しさん from Australia Since: Oct, 2009
名無しさん
#31: Feb 27th 2012 at 1:35:54 AM

I don't understand why you're doing this. Shouldn't you be eating more meat?

Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#32: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:00:37 AM

As for me, the attempt is mostly due to health and ecological reasons, with a bit of concern for animal welfare as an afterthought.

But as I said, I am not even trying to go fully vegetarian — ideally, what I'd want to reach is a state in which I eat meat only in special occasions (big celebrations and the like), and only when it is of very high quality, but not as a staple food and certainly not in the form of hotdogs and other dubious stuff.

edited 27th Feb '12 2:00:59 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#33: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:02:22 AM

[up][up] Considering the OP says he's trying to cut back, what makes you think that?

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#34: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:08:58 AM

^I think they were addressing me.

If that's the case, the answer is that I am. I was just musing on going over to a fish based diet at the moment.

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imojee Be evil from The Desert Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
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#35: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:19:19 AM

Personally I'm giving strong consideration towards a mostly carnivorous diet, and yeah I know that would take some work.

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#36: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:23:26 AM

What are your reasons for that?

To encourage muscle growth, perhaps?

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
imojee Be evil from The Desert Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
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#37: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:28:25 AM

Mostly that, since I am incapable of gaining fat.

Also, with constantly shrinking exceptions, I can't stand the taste of plants.

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#38: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:52:21 AM

Good luck!

It's bound not to be cheap, though — decent quality meat can be fairly expensive, and I'm pretty sure than a spam-and-hotdogs based diet would not be very advisable...

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#39: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:56:16 AM

Spam is always advisable.

Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
imojee Be evil from The Desert Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
Be evil
#40: Feb 27th 2012 at 2:56:56 AM

Yeah I always try to go for the unprocessed stuff.

Dairy products are still in my diet luckily.

And if I wanted to indulge like that it would be spam and hotdogs smothered and injected with cheese.

Through the eyes I have known you.
LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#41: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:02:12 AM

@ Carciofus: The reason I say that is that I think it's not a good thing for people to be totally OK with eating meat, but not OK with actually seeing animals die. If the thought of watching hundreds of cows being shot in the head and hauled off to be dismembered upsets you, then why are you OK with letting it happen for your steak?

Basically, I dislike the idea of people wanting to enjoy the benefits of that death, but not willing to have the burden on their conscience. It's like 'I'm OK with them suffering, as long as it doesn't intrude on my comfortable state of mind'.

Be not afraid...
imojee Be evil from The Desert Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
Be evil
#42: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:07:08 AM

See, I just don't have a problem with the whole "animals died so that you could eat" thing.

I eat meat, I know what happens to make that meat, and as long as its done humanely then I'm ok with it.

Through the eyes I have known you.
Exelixi Lesbarian from Alchemist's workshop Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Lesbarian
#43: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:22:59 AM

I've hunted and cleaned deer and shown the steps of how to slaughter and butcher a hog. I agree that one shouldn't do something they can't stand to see.

I think one should be conditioned to it, though, rather than to just stop eating one of the major food groups. Death happens, and we should learn to accept that and appreciate it.

edited 27th Feb '12 3:25:02 AM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-
Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#44: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:24:20 AM

[up][up][up], [up] But there are plenty of things I am quite OK with from an intellectual point of view, but which I would probably find distasteful to witness in first person — for example, brain surgery would probably make me more than a little squeamish, but I obviously have nothing against it in principle.

Analogously, I think that one's decision on whether to eat meat or not should be based on reasoning, not on one's emotional reactions at the sight of a dying animal or of a butchered carcass.*

Just my two cents, of course...

edited 27th Feb '12 3:27:47 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
Exelixi Lesbarian from Alchemist's workshop Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Lesbarian
#45: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:25:57 AM

Brain surgery doesn't harm people, though, it saves them. You would freak out a bit if you saw it but would be fundamentally okay with it.

edited 27th Feb '12 3:26:55 AM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-
Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
Is that cake frosting?
#46: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:28:39 AM

And meat-eating does not harm people either, unless you are referring to cholesterol and the like. tongue

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
Exelixi Lesbarian from Alchemist's workshop Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Lesbarian
#47: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:39:50 AM

Animals have souls, jabber jabber jabbe.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-
Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
Is that cake frosting?
#48: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:45:20 AM

All right. But all that "jabber jabber jabbe" is some sort of rational argument about animal personhood, animal rights and so on, is this correct?*

It is certainly possible to discuss about the morality of meat eating; but I fail to see what this discussion has to do with one's purely instinctive reactions at the sight of a butchered beast...

edited 27th Feb '12 3:46:51 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#49: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:49:12 AM

@Carciofus: Well, I agree that you should base decisions like that on reason as well as emotion. But I don't think you should hide from negative emotions either, or hide from the responsibility for lives that have been taken for your sake.

It's a weird disconnect we have as a society, sort of related to What Measure Is a Non-Cute?. My sister will quite happily eat chickens bought from the supermarket, but when we killed a rooster of ours (a rooster, I might add, that had lived a very good life as things go) she refused to. Equally, she is fine with eating beef, but won't eat kangaroo because "the poor kangaroos". We put a great deal of importance on the death of dogs and cats, for example, and yet pigs are just as intelligent and just as capable of pain. But they aren't animals we've been conditioned to think of as 'counting'.

Be not afraid...
ekuseruekuseru 名無しさん from Australia Since: Oct, 2009
名無しさん
#50: Feb 27th 2012 at 3:52:42 AM

health and ecological reasons, ... animal welfare
So shouldn't you be eating more meat?


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