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In theory the intention of two versions is to facilitate trading; in theory because newer games tend to have things in place that indeed cajole people into double dipping (like only-obtainable-once legendaries, or only being able to breed specific Pokémon in one version of the game because their stats are completely different when hatched in the other version of the game).
On the bright side, the DLC is technically optional and people without it can still trade for everything to get a complete Poké Dex, which is a good decision that placates anyone that would otherwise be unable to keep up with the multiplayer aspects of the game.
On the downside, I do want to call out the fact that Apricots are DLC since the Poké Balls you make using them are artificially scarce in the main game, so it runs into the whole "sell the solution to the problem they created" issue.
Am I the only person who only bought one of a Pokémon generation and traded with people who owned the other version to catch 'em all?
Ah, I haven't played a Pokémon game since Silver, what sort of things have the newer ones done?
Edited by VampireBuddha on Jan 14th 2020 at 5:43:51 PM
Mostly just the mascot legendaries are impossible to trade for, unless you know someone IRL, so that leaves a blank spot in completion, but there are multiple minor issues that don’t affect me personally, but still really shouldn’t be a problem like limiting supply of certain types of Poké balls.
None of that requires 2 games. You can easily make this a mode or an option the players select (doubly so in the original game where maintaining a pool of players online isn't a concern). Heck, select the pool of available pokemon based on the starter chosen. Done. And of course, that's without going to how as far back as gen3 you needed like 6 games to get all Pokemons.
The intention never was to facilitate trading. It's always been to get people to double dip. They release two version, and make the catchphrase "Gotta catch em all" (not gotta trade em' all) for pete's sake. The trading or "encouraging to play with friends" bit has never been more than an excuse to paper over that.
Edited by Ghilz on Jan 14th 2020 at 1:40:39 PM
The answer to the question, "Why multiple versions of each game?" is always greed.
Pokémon Sun and Moon did address the version exclusive legendary issue by making it possible to obtain multiple copies of them, so you can trade the extra one for the other game's exclusive. I don't know if Sword and Shield did anything similar, though.
Okay, but does the DLC include a trade server?
Because I'm cool with practically everything else about Sword and Shield. I'm even cool with having DLC, since it's actually an improvement over the old "Buy the third edition of the game full-price that has all the same stuff but a little bit more, and then play through it from the beginning again!" model.
But eliminating the GTS is a baffling decision. Pokemon went back to the "find a random person and just hope for the best" method of getting Pokemon you wanted via trade or unlocking trade-exclusive evolutions for some reason.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 14th 2020 at 12:49:37 PM
Sigh. If anything they should have removed the Wonder Trade mechanic, because people are always selfish and will dump Com Mons in the hopes of getting something better. There was no reason to get rid of the GTS deposit system whatsoever.
Supposedly, it’s coming with Pokémon Home, but no one I’ve seem claiming that gives me confidence that it’s more than speculation on their part.
The problem is twofold.
If people are constantly depositing Com Mons into Wonder Trade but no one is ever withdrawing Com Mons from Wonder Trade, then the population of Com Mons only grows and never stabilizes or diminishes. Thus, the system gets worse over time.
As a public service, when I'm breeding mons for IVs, I'll put breeding rejects into Wonder Trade and try to find Com Mons. If I get something cool that I feel I can use, I'll keep it, but if I don't need it, I'll put it back in and try again for Com Mons. Then I release all the Com Mons I've gotten, erasing that batch of Com Mons from the Wonder Trade network forever.
I think everyone who breeds Pokemon should get in the habit of doing this. Someone has to clear out the clutter from the system.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 14th 2020 at 2:34:27 AM
No. some people just want to see the trade table fill up with zubats.
It's why Wonder Trade is a mistake, and anyone who laments its removal simply doesn't exist.
I keep whatever I get. It’s another ticket for the ID lottery.
I trade for the whole Pokedex that isn't legendary for the same reason, but I don't keep needless duplicates that clog up my PC.
Pokemon's business model has always been bad, but you used to be able to get a complete experience for the price of one ($40!) game if you waited a year or two. Now you need the base game, DLC, a NSO subscription, and a Home subscription
It costs an awful lot of money to develop no new concepts or gameplay whatsoever, just repackage them every few years with a few graphical upgrades and a handful of new Pokemon.
I think this video about Blastoise summarizes the problem with Pokémon.
Geez, Gamefreak so lazy that the iconic turtle shoots water in front of his face.
Going to add to Jim's argument, starting with Gen 2, there has never been a set of games where you have been able to get the full Pokedex. You have either needed to trade with other people, buy things like the remakes or third versions, or bring them up from past Pokemon games to even get the full Pokedex on a single save.
Just as a couple of examples:
When you have 895 individual models to design, you end up finding ways to cut in battle.
Pokemon, I would say, is one of those series where the gameplay is "if it ain't broke," and there was some legitimate improvements to the series during gens 2 through 4. What makes it egregious is that Pokemon has many more games in the series. Out of the 23 years Pokemon has been around, 7 of those have not had a Pokemon game if you just count the initial launches. That shrinks down to 2 if you count in the various localizations prior to the series going for worldwide launches.
You'd figure the starters would get special treatment at least.
Cinderace certainly does for its signature move.
Yes, but Cinderace is the Fire starter. Everyone knows that the Fire starter is the coolest, and thus deserves the most special attention.
as long as it's signature move only
Inteleon also does his signature move properly (firing water his fingers while doing a finger gun)
Yeah, I've noticed that most Pokemon generally have one animation for physical moves, one animation for special moves, and then each move has its own animation that emerges from those animations to make it look kinda sorta like the Pokemon is doing individual unique attacks.
And then maybe a couple others if you're lucky.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's a complete trainwreck of an animation.
And then you have the Z moves where Pokemon run without moving their limbs.
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