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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1926: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:27:27 AM

Yes, for me, the appeal of vampire is that it's a living world and events are happening around the player characters that they can react to.

But yes, up to you.

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#1927: Aug 10th 2019 at 5:01:19 AM

[up]I can see your point on that, I do like a living world but I think a good Storyteller can do that even without the metaplot. But as always, YMMV.

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#1928: Aug 10th 2019 at 8:27:33 AM

Well metaplot is not just new stuff in a story, is also revised backstoy and the influence about it, it also give a lot of space to fan favorite like beckett for example.

Have anyone here read a World of darkness novels?

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#1929: Aug 10th 2019 at 8:36:57 AM

[up]Eh, I don't like metaplot in general, so I admit I am biased.

From my perspective, the World of Darkness had a very egregious metaplot that felt more like it was about punishing players for "playing the game wrong" and tried to force the fans to play in a certain play style.

I like the old setting of First Edition and early Second Edition

And to be honest, I never liked Beckett or any of the other "signature characters" such as Vykos, Lucita, Anatole, Ur-Shulgi, or any of that.

Most of the "canon" characters I like were from the early days of the game, such as Prince Lodin and Annabelle. Hell, I even enjoyed Al Capone as a vampire in Chicago by Night.

Edited by NinjaGoth on Aug 10th 2019 at 11:41:57 AM

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#1930: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:15:32 AM

Well, I dont know of that is metaplot or more that vampire wanted to be taken as seriously as tabletop game, dealing with some themes and what not, rather than just be "here is the stuff, have fun", that is prevalent in tabletop gaming and let face it, that is going to be pretentious ether way.

Now to answer my question I have read some novels: the Asension war trilogy which it wasnt that good really, the mommy trilogy which have a very nice villian but introduce mummies like, third quarter to the last book and Demon trilogy which it was VERY fucking good books and I hightly recomend it.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1931: Aug 10th 2019 at 5:38:14 PM

The Clan Novels, which were reprinted, were okay game fiction.

The Dark Ages Clan Novels, which have been reprinted, are awesome.

The Grail Covenant Trilogy is just good fiction period.

Those are the only ones available on Kindle and reprinted—mostly because I helped get Crossroad Press and White Wolf to do a deal for it. I proofed Dark Ages: Brujah and Malkavian.

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#1932: Aug 10th 2019 at 8:23:05 PM

In my case let me go into a more deep analisys of the books:

Asension war is....not good, I mean is does a good job moving between different plots, both vampire between the Giovanni and the mage stuff, problem is the author abuse the heck off tell no show by shilling is villain in how brillian he is how manipulative and master of double information he is, the fact the protagonist who is a sort of super tecnocratic renegate super soldier end marry a japanise mage he know for about....what, one week? as the top of it, also it trash the setting in the end and kill a bunch of chararter and resolve the stuff in a deus ex machina, awfull as shit.

Now, the mummy trilogy is good in a sense but I feel the val helsing brigate(a vampire hunter squat) almost all of them die in the first book, there is a weird subplot of beckett entering without knowing into the splash between melenao and helena(yeah, the super duper vampires of Chicago by night, what the hell happen to them anyway?) only to decide is not is buissness and leave, feeling like a sort of weird tie in, now the mommy part was good and the villain was so likable I really didnt want him to die(well, sort of).

I also read Prince of the city which is a novel dealing with a young prince who become the prince of san francisco(I think) who deal with all sort of crazy stuff, including opposing factions, one attempted murder by assamite and of course chinise vampires, the problem? the novel awkard time skip stuff and at time it does resolve stuff by simple saying "do it" and...that it, we never seen what happen, very anticlimatic actually, it also stuffed a woman in the frige for some sweet vampire male pain and them pull another girl almost as replacement so the guy can have a girl in the end.

But the best for the best and I 100% recommed is trilogy of demon: the descent, is REALLY good, the description of the angels, one of the best depiction of luficer ever in media, Usiel who is a intersting anti hero and the description of life in days and the fight between angels are nothing sort of impresive, the only bad thing is that the book is very grimdark and you can feel a little of darkness apathy because none of the chararter are good people.

I have yet to see other novels, maybe soon.

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#1933: Aug 25th 2019 at 7:20:59 AM

I found this forum thread about making a Genie based Wo D fangame and wondered whether it was worth it to start a page for it. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/necro-nwod-djinn-the-binding.481473/

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#1934: Aug 28th 2019 at 2:16:16 PM

Sure, why not. We've got plenty of homebrew WoD lines on here.

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#1935: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:26:10 PM

Speaking of homebrew White Wolf games, I've always been a huge fan of the old 1990's era fan game Senshi: The Merchandising which was also one of the inspirations for my favorite New World of Darkness homebrew game Princess: The Hopeful

Also, there's another fan project I love that is a "20th Anniversary Edition" of the old Street Fighter RPG that compiles all the material from the Street Fighter line into one volume and then updates it to the X20 rules for Classic World of Darkness.

Edited by NinjaGoth on Oct 8th 2019 at 7:38:21 AM

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#1937: Oct 2nd 2019 at 9:34:43 AM

You hadn't heard of Deviant? It's pretty cool.

Basically Mutant: the Superheroing.

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#1938: Oct 8th 2019 at 4:43:01 PM

[up]While the concept for Deviant is interesting, I'm keeping my expectations low given how badly the folks at Onyx Path have fucked up with the Chronicles of Darkness.

After the complete trainwreck that was Beast: The Primordial, I'm worried. Deviant has potential as a concept, but I have a bad feeling Onyx Path will ruin it.

Given how badly Paradox fucked up on V5 and how badly Onyx Path ruined Chronicles of Darkness, I wish someone else could either buy the IP's from Paradox or at least license them away from Onyx Path and let Paradox simply make money off of the licensing fees.

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#1939: Oct 9th 2019 at 3:08:57 AM

Whatever your reservations, the way OP does kickstarters these days means you can read Deviant first and decide if you want to commit to giving them money for it after.

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#1940: Oct 9th 2019 at 3:11:13 AM

Yeah, we've already got a bunch of previews and so far it looks great.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#1941: Oct 9th 2019 at 8:04:05 AM

I've enjoyed almost everything from Chronicles of Darkness so far, and Deviant: The Renegades looks really interesting. I'm looking forward to when it gets released.

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#1942: Oct 23rd 2019 at 7:22:47 PM

I'm running a one shot 1st edition NWOD game using The Harvesters SAS adventure and I was curious if anyone has either side that adventure before or used pre written sessions to introduce players to a system or setting?

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#1943: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:22:08 PM

So, have other game recive the V5 treatment or just vampire?.

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#1944: Oct 28th 2019 at 10:11:12 AM

Does anyone else here have the GURPS World of Darkness books from the early 90's?

They were for GURPS 3E and four books overall were released. Vampire, Werewolf, and Mage all got adaptations, with Vampire getting an extra "Companion" book that added the rules for the elder-level Disciplines and rules for playing Sabbat or Independent Clans. They're from 1993-1994, so the material is mainly lifted from First Edition and the earliest bits of Second Edition.

I own the GURPS 3E Basic Set along with the GURPS versions of both Vampire (and its companion) and Werewolf, and I might buy Mage later on. All of them are hard copies I bought from Amazon, and I also own a few other GURPS 3E books (GURPS Special Ops and GURPS Japan)

Haven't been able to run a campaign and play with the GURPS adaptations, but I might run a small online campaign for it.

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#1945: Oct 30th 2019 at 7:58:29 PM

Huh, a Kickstarter update for Scion just informed me that a Kickstarter campaign for the second edition of Mummy: The Curse is coming soon.

Looking forward to it; Mummy: The Curse was a very interesting read and I'm curious to see what changes in the second edition.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1946: Dec 7th 2019 at 12:02:37 PM

Werewolf 5th Edition set for release in 2021.

https://twitter.com/WerewolfVGAME/status/1203343410947428358

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#1947: Dec 8th 2019 at 4:34:48 PM

[up]I'm just hoping Werewolf 5th edition won't be as bad of a trainwreck as V5 was, but given how they intend to continue the metaplot and pretentious grimdark Goth/Punk bullshit, I'm not holding my breath.

At least I still have the old books.

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#1948: Dec 8th 2019 at 5:00:39 PM

I mean, hopefully they've at least learned some lessons about e.g. hiring known serial harassers.

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#1949: Dec 8th 2019 at 5:09:28 PM

[up]Dude who wrote Beast: The Primordial?

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#1950: Dec 8th 2019 at 5:10:10 PM

Re: Gothic Punk

Why in the fuck would they try to change the original Gothic Punk game to something not Goth or punk?

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