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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Relationship Status: It's complicated
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Jun 16th 2018 at 7:39:42 PM

I liked the Corellian Trilogy, but Black Fleet is a bit of an acquired taste — much more Military Fiction than Star Wars before and after it, and Lando's subplot is very weird.

edited 16th Jun '18 7:40:14 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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Jun 16th 2018 at 8:24:06 PM

The Black Fleet Crisis, at least the A-plot, really feels like a proto-New Jedi Order now that I think about it with it being Darker and Edgier and being much more sci-fi military-oriented than usual so I think how you feel about that could possibly inform how you feel about the other. I remember my favorite part of the B-plot with Luke being actually getting a ground-level look at what space travel is like for the average joe (IE, not pleasant), and liking the C-plot with Lando since it reminded me of Arthur Clarke's works to an extent...but I don't believe it ever once intersected with the other two.

Speaking of the Black Fleet trilogy's B-plot though...now two-thirds of the way through the Fate of the Jedi series has now suddenly developed an obsession with killing off Luke's old Bantam-era love interests for some reason. I just started Conviction, and while do low-key enjoy the Continuity Porn of the EU, I kinda doubt that readers were exactly chomping at the bit to revisit Planet of Twilight. Backlash was probably the weakest of the middle third since it was almost entirely Wacky Wayside Tribe filler but I will admit that I had fun following the Enemy Mine between Luke and the Lost Tribe purely for all the shade he and Gavar and Taalon kept throwing at each other. My favorite subplot during this section though was the one about the "60 Minutes in space!" news show staunchly upholding its integrity in the face of yellow journalism and fake news for how it's even more relevant these days with the state of the world. Probably also why I'm more tolerant of the "Jedi plotting to launch a coup to depose a would-be despot" plot than I would've been a few years ago.

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
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Jun 16th 2018 at 8:28:30 PM

Eh, Corellia Trilogy gave rise to one of the dumbest starting plot points of the Legacy of the Force series: Despite being a puppet ruler and being forcefully deposed, Thracken Sal-Solo is somehow placed back in control of Corellia and is one of the main reasons they try and secede.

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Jun 16th 2018 at 8:39:21 PM

Sadly, I can't be as critical of that plot point any more given what both America and Britain have voted for.

What rustles my jimmies though is how Thracken even got out of jail in the first place given he was thrown in there for being a member of the Peace Brigade!

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
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Jun 16th 2018 at 9:02:39 PM

THAT TOO! How the fuck is he not executed after that?

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Jun 16th 2018 at 9:57:30 PM

From what I hear about Black Fleet the A plot is good while people have mixed thoughts on the other two (so basically my opinion on the Last Jedi). Going off of the summary from the new essential chronology apparently there's a red herring involving Luke's mother.

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Jun 17th 2018 at 4:40:19 PM

So I'm reading Into The Void right now and I'm wondering if the whole Dawn of the Jedi thing got thrown into the whole "Legends" section and this book is all we get of Lanoree Brock and the early Jedi.

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Jun 19th 2018 at 3:34:52 PM

[up]It did any work made before the second half of 2014 with the exception of Clone Wars and Son of Dathomir is non canon.

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Jul 14th 2018 at 3:45:31 PM

Can someone explain why people are so divided over Karen Traviss? I know people are but I don't know why.

Jul 14th 2018 at 4:09:47 PM

[up]Refer to my posts here [1] and here [2].

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Jul 20th 2018 at 11:02:21 AM

The answer boils down to the fact Karen Traviss is a great believer in Alternate Character Interpretation and Armed with Canon. She's a person who talks about how the Old Republic Jedi are purely evil, the Mandalorians are good, Doctor Halsey is Doctor Mengele, and the real evil of the fascist Gears of war protagonist government is the arms traffickers. Then she writes her interpretations as canon.

I don't recall her ever defending the Empire, though, or colonialism.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 20th 2018 at 11:05:38 AM

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Jul 20th 2018 at 12:42:27 PM

[up]The Colonialism is from some of her later Halo works, though mostly people were latching onto to her front-and-center human Supremacist and Militarism tracts. Suffice it to say her views of interactions between the UNSC and the colonies are what you would expect of a fringe Fourth Reich apologist rather than an author attached to a major franchise. Her work is so despised there are multiple Take That! pieces of lore scattered in Halo 4 and 5, plus one of the main events in 5 is saving the Elites from the reborn Covenant. Basically a Franchise-wide Author Tract, united in their rejection of Traviss' work as she was booted from the franchise.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:42:30 PM

doineedaname from Eastern US
Jul 20th 2018 at 3:11:25 PM

[up] The defending colonialism is something I have a hard time seeing her actually doing in Halo with how much she defends the absurdly awful (with few notable exceptions) Insurrectionists and tries to present a guy who was basically a conspiracy nut (who was ultimately right but had no proof) wanting to genocide Earth as sympathetic.

Jul 20th 2018 at 3:20:35 PM

[up]Sorry, should have clarified-I meant colonialism in the sense of putting the Insurrectionists on a pedestal alongside ONI while presenting the civilian populations of Earth and all of the colonies as deserving of extermination alongside all Alien races. At a glance, it seems like her Militarism would have put the UNSC an an altar; but the official plotlines after 3, with Hood and the military beginning to hand control back to civilian authorities and ceding autonomy to colonies really seems to have cooked her goose.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Jul 20th 2018 at 6:22:27 AM

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
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Jul 20th 2018 at 4:58:48 PM

The Insurrectionists are brutal terrorists and deserve to be treated as such. When you start bombing civilian populations instead of attacking exclusively military targets you're not a group of freedom fighters, you're terrorists.

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Jul 20th 2018 at 5:35:23 PM

[up]Which is front and center with every story they are in-trying to get the audience to sympathize with that...just no.

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Sep 10th 2018 at 8:29:52 PM

I've just begun a page for Zahn's heist story, Star Wars: Scoundrels. Unlike last time I wrote a page (for Kenobi), I'm not going down the rabbit hole and making sure I have four dozen perfect trope examples before I publish; I've started with the minimum three. I intend to add more in the next few days, of course, but anyone else who's read the story, please feel free to join me.

Edited by HeraldAlberich on Sep 10th 2018 at 11:34:29 AM

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Sep 13th 2018 at 10:11:02 PM

@Karen Travis. Okay this stuff about the civilian population deserving to be exterminated is new to me. All I ever heard was how they weren't grateful enough and stupid and generally sentiment you'd hear on the message boards of any western military.

As for the Insurrectionists, well I would like to point out their have been multiple instances of colonies being corporate controlled nightmares, like that one in Halo the Cole Protocol, the UNSC is offhandedly mentioned to have nuked a colony and of course their are the Spartan 2 and 3 programs, especially, in my view, the Spartan 2's. Mind you Travis doesn't say all this is bad, she just makes certain scapegoats like Halsey and moves along, kind of like ONI. As for the Elites, well they had just genocided something like half the human population, what did you expect ONI to do. I don't think she justifies it anywhere other than her character's heads, and hating the humans is always presented as logical in the heads of her Sangheli characters like Jul. Of course what ONI is doing is stupid, the Arbiter could crush humanity like a bug if he wanted to. But Microsoft needed to have Grunts and Elites to fight in their next games so the war had to go on.

Again I don't agree with or like everything she writes, especially when it clashes with the Clone Wars TV series.

But frankly people have this thing were they take the sketchy morality of Travis's characters, in settings full of sketchy characters and morally dubious implications and think she's literally Hitler, or Clone Space Hitler if you were to be more accurate.

She's an author who doesn't know how to play nice with others in a universe and stick to established themes and characters. Yes she glorifies the military, in settings that ether already do so, or glorify what are the end of the day child abducting space wizards.

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Sep 23rd 2018 at 8:31:49 AM

The only 2 things of hers I've read are Hard Contact and Triple 0. Hard Contact was a solid military sci fi story. Triple 0 was decent but felt a bit too soap operaey for my taste

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Sep 24th 2018 at 6:47:05 PM

I've only read her contributions to the Legacy of the Force series, and that's a series that already had a lot of problems even if you totally removed her work from the equation. But her writing style was very different from Allston's and Denning's whose storytelling were more conventional: lots of first-person inner monologue and navel-contemplation, and most everything was kept more small-scale without the large space battles or action set pieces that I was used to seeing in a Star Wars work. There was definitely a very neocon-ish slant whenever the military or police force perspective came up.

I've done a fair bit more reading since my last update and I've finished the Fate of the Jedi series and X-wing: Mercy Kill. Yes, Fate of the Jedi on the whole was a lot better than Legacy of the Force; things did not get so grimdark, there was obviously more cooperation between the three writers, a fair amount of interesting lore and set-up was added to the universe, and a number of the new characters introduced were actually likable such as Eramuth Bwuatu and Wyn Dorvan. But it was a little messy in the amount of plot lines it tried to juggle and the pacing could've been better (this was mainly a problem with Allston's books which tended to feel rather fillery for big chunks of them). Like there was a lot of stuff jam-packed into the back half of Ascension to the point where I feel like Conviction should've been rewritten to move up some of those important plot developments so that the former book would've had more room to breathe.

Next, Mercy Kill was probably the weakest of Allston's X-wing books. You could definitely tell that he was more in his element this time (I always got the impression that the Jedi/Sith subject matter in Legacy and Fate were outside his comfort zone and he was only truly having fun when writing a starship battle or the characters concocting and executing some crazy scheme) but one of the strengths of his Wraith Squadron books was that pretty much every character got an arc across the trilogy, but we don't get to know most of the new cast here as deeply since it's only a single, self-contained story this time (plus there are some small continuity issues that naggled me coming straight from Fate like it never being acknowledged that large swathes of Coruscant should've been devastated after the final battle against the Lost Tribe in Apocalypse or the Big Bad not coming off as the quietly ruthless figure that he did during his few scenes in Ascension) but I am glad that Allston was able to return to the characters and kind of story that he was best at before his unexpected death.

Also I've got to say that Scut's foster parents were absolute saints to be willing to adopt and raise a Yuuzhan Vong child. I think as long as there are people like them in the galaxy things will turn out okay.

Edited by ComicX6 on Sep 24th 2018 at 6:48:03 AM

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Oct 27th 2018 at 4:33:24 PM

Apropos of not much, pumpkin carving of the cover for The Bacta War.

(Facebook post, but set public so no account needed to view.)

Edited by Nohbody on Oct 27th 2018 at 2:56:40 PM

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Oct 28th 2018 at 12:00:15 AM

No kidding. My hands had a burst of sympathy pain just looking at all the detailed carving that required. tongue

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
Oct 28th 2018 at 7:06:29 AM

[up][up][up]Holy shit, that's phenomenal work.[awesome]

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Dec 5th 2018 at 5:46:08 PM

Itís Treason, then.

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