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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#301: Aug 16th 2013 at 7:18:51 AM

Can't be compared. Daala was essentially made Chief of State by the military.

And just to make sure why having Daala being made the chief of the New Republic 2.0 is a stupid idea:

- She was in Charge of guarding the place where they designed (well, sort of) the Deathstar, The Sun Hammer and what else Imperial Superweapons. She was also the lover of Tarkin, all of which should make any surviving Alderaaner hate her guts.

- Attacked Dac, including bombardement of Floating Cities.

- Committed GENOCIDE

- Ordered the bombardment of a defenseless world

- And again. Purely to terrify people.

So. Compare it more as if SCOTUS had made Osama Bin Laden President of the US without him ever being voted on.

And Fiction can be used to show better worlds, better idea's. Things to strive for. Its the origin for the word Utopia.

edited 16th Aug '13 7:22:28 AM by 3of4

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#302: Aug 16th 2013 at 7:35:20 AM

Not only that, but Natasi "I, Satan" Daala, upon her reappearance, was being treated like the second coming of Grand Admiral Thrawn, who was her polar opposite. Christie Golden even said in one interview that she thinks of Daala as a Tragic Hero. Critical Research Failure, anyone?

Still, Fate Of The Jedi did one thing right, and that was to give Daala Character Rerailment. I just wish the last book in FOTJ actually said what happened to her. sad

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#303: Aug 16th 2013 at 7:58:20 AM

Point taken about Utopia. I haven't been saying that we can't have good, nice stories, just that people complaining about the darker stories and calling them unrealistic are missing the fact that the real world is a big, dark mess itself and that most of this stuff actually reflects the real world.

I blame the Force for every majorly stupid thing in the EU. The Dark Side concentrates itself into people, so Daala getting in charge was one of the last strongholds of the Dark Side in the Alliance. Hence why she didn't get voted in, but put in charge by the military.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#304: Aug 16th 2013 at 9:22:37 AM

Or it was simply bad writing. I consider Lot F a prime example of the "too many cooks" saying.

edited 16th Aug '13 9:22:57 AM by 3of4

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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#305: Aug 16th 2013 at 10:22:00 AM

I blame most of the bad writing in Lo TF on Karen Traviss. Her Halo novels make the rest of Lo TF look good by comparision.

I've heard people claiming that it was mostly because of her that they brought Daala back and Mara died.

edited 16th Aug '13 10:22:31 AM by doineedaname

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#306: Aug 16th 2013 at 12:04:53 PM

Well, it happened in her books. And I weep for the Halo Story.

edited 16th Aug '13 12:05:10 PM by 3of4

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CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
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#307: Aug 16th 2013 at 1:28:14 PM

I actually liked the way she expanded Mando culture. I think as an idea person she'd work very well. But give the Mandos to a writer that won't try to turn them into the Best Thing (and not one who will screw them over because they don't like Traviss), don't let Traviss write them.

Stevron The Undefeated from Capua Since: Dec, 2011
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#308: Aug 18th 2013 at 4:38:18 AM

The EU has already been left behind, Lucas proclaimed it an Alternate Universe. And to that I say "Good riddance. George, we love ya, but we love it better that you've let the writers separate from you."

If you've been keeping up with the EU thread in the Episode VII sub-forum on the Jedi Council forums, you'd learn that the whole post-ROTJ EU era is going to be wiped or at least most of it.

Which is good, since almost all of it sucks, especially the stupid New Jedi Order series.

I actually liked the way she expanded Mando culture. I think as an idea person she'd work very well. But give the Mandos to a writer that won't try to turn them into the Best Thing (and not one who will screw them over because they don't like Traviss), don't let Traviss write them.

Traviss expanded the Mando culture in a very redundant way. She focused more on the trivial aspects of Mandolorian culture.

edited 18th Aug '13 4:40:54 AM by Stevron

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CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
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#309: Aug 18th 2013 at 6:28:57 AM

Can't say I really agree with you there, but I don't feel like getting into an argument over it.

Stevron The Undefeated from Capua Since: Dec, 2011
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#310: Aug 18th 2013 at 7:13:59 AM

Notice how there are no books coming out for the EU that take place after ROTJ. I would consider this a coincidence if it weren't for all the comments that have been made by the people working at/with Lucas Film.

edited 18th Aug '13 7:14:07 AM by Stevron

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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#311: Aug 18th 2013 at 7:21:35 AM

[up]There's Crucible, which came out recently and is set after FOTJ.

edited 18th Aug '13 7:21:45 AM by doineedaname

Stevron The Undefeated from Capua Since: Dec, 2011
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#312: Aug 18th 2013 at 8:12:43 AM

[up] Crucible was already being worked on before Episode VII was announced.

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#313: Aug 18th 2013 at 11:01:21 AM

They'd said from the very beginning that the story for the new one is going to be its own thing. I always figured they'd be scrapping the EU, but wasn't sure.

edited 18th Aug '13 11:01:32 AM by Journeyman

EvilOtaku Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#314: Aug 18th 2013 at 1:03:50 PM

Is there any real reason that new movies couldn't just pick up from where the books have currently left off? Leaving all the intervening baggage behind for a moment. It's been 40 years since the events of Rot J. The Rebel Alliance has turned in to the Galactic Alliance. The Imperial Remnant is a stable political entity. The Jedi Order has grown to thousands and is operating fully independent of the government. The Big 3 are in semi retirement. Luke's son about at the age where Luke himself was in ep IV. And Han and Leia's daughter is fully grown and married to an Imperial Officer.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#315: Aug 18th 2013 at 1:07:46 PM

Because outside of little loan parts like Coruscant, Lucas Films never really seemed to like the EU to begin with? Otherwise I'm sure Lucas would have stepped in and steered the entire EU in the direction he needed it to go to carry on the story. He might have gotten involved from time to time, but he was always focused on the movies above all else. Even when he wasn't making any.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#316: Aug 18th 2013 at 2:09:13 PM

[up][up] Also, you would get the vast majority of people who haven't read the books wondering what happened in between. Especially if the Imperial Remnant is brought up. As well as the identity of Mara Jade and so on.

edited 18th Aug '13 2:09:35 PM by Zendervai

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#317: Aug 18th 2013 at 5:36:35 PM

It's better for them to just ignore the EU.

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#318: Aug 19th 2013 at 5:26:04 AM

Anything they come up with will be ten times worse than the EU.

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#320: Aug 19th 2013 at 10:03:01 AM

Most of the EU really isn't that great. Yes, there are some excellent elements, usually linked to Timothy Zahn, but it's really confusing, dark, and occasionally screws over a character for the sake of cheap drama. For a period, the reaction to things like Jar Jar was to avoid comic relief completely. At least the "Superweapon of the week" plots didn't tend to be excessively dark.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#321: Aug 19th 2013 at 10:09:47 AM

Since they're scrapping the post ROTJ-EU, who here thinks they're going to stop publishing new copies of those books? No reason to keep feeding into something that no longer has even a chance of affecting the story, after all, right?

ETA: And don't think it'll stop with stuff after the movies. If those filler movies about characters take place between the other two trilogies, a lot of the stuff already written there is probably going to get scrapped as well.

edited 19th Aug '13 10:10:47 AM by Journeyman

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#322: Aug 19th 2013 at 10:11:24 AM

[up] They can still make money off them. Just say it's an alternate universe, and start a new line tied into the new movies. Problem solved.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#323: Aug 19th 2013 at 10:13:41 AM

Indeed, but that's not how it's coming across on here. Scrapped suggests they're not even going to go that route. It suggests they wanna say "Forget they ever existed."

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
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#324: Aug 19th 2013 at 11:24:54 AM

Could someone link me to the source that says they're "scrapping" the EU? All I've seen so far is sources saying they won't be adapting existing EU plots.

EvilOtaku Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#325: Aug 19th 2013 at 11:51:35 AM

I would like to see this as well. Dumping 30 years of content is not something any publisher has done before.


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