This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
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Digital previews for comics that are planned to be released in physical form reminds me of magazine comics that are planned to be released in trade paperback form. I think the Netflix argument is pretty valid here; the majority of the shows that Netflix had for streaming were classified as Series/, when they released their own tv series, we also labeled them as Series/ instead of WebVideo/. Stories published on Baen's website aren't going to indexed as a WebOriginal/ or a Web Serial Novel. DC is already a comicbook publisher, who started adding digital versions of their comics online, and now have some of their comics released online before they're released in print, but they never stopped trying to publish the comics in print and they never specialized the comics to take advantage of the web serial format.
Unless there's something very unusual about Injustice: Year Zero, but the description is too anemic for me to determine that.
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~crazysamaritan Injustice: Year Zero is actually pretty usual in the way that it was released only for online reading and it has been that way for months, it is not a digital version of a comic it is the version of it. Apparently, they are planning to release it physically but that has yet to happen and is apparently not going to happen until much later in this year.
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Already addressed that:
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On a (somewhat) similar case, some Wham City works are in the Series/ namespace, despite being internet works. The reason they got classified under Series/ is that they were produced by Adult Swim, for the Adult Swim website, and share more in common with live-action TV series than with your typical web video.
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So I came across this thing called "Omega Mart," which began as a series of strange YouTube videos, but turned out to be Viral Marketing for an themed art exhibit. I'm considering making a page for it, but I'm not super familiar with the material, so for now I'd want to add it to List of Shows That Need Summary.
My question is: should it be at Art.Omega Mart (for the art exhibit as a whole) or at WebVideo.Omega Mart (for the YouTube campaign)? I'm leaning towards the former.
EDIT: Alternatively, the company producing the exhibit, Meow Wolf, may warrant its own Creator/ page, or maybe in Art/ as well since they only run art exhibits.
Edited by mightymewtron on May 2nd 2021 at 1:53:32 PM
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Eighty Six (Light Novel) currently shares its subpage namespaces with 86 (Video Game) and 86 (Web Animation). Should the Eighty Six page be changed to its official name 86 EIGHTY-SIX to avoid this?
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This would be a more appropriate thread to ask that. That seems right, though. So LightNovel.Eighty Six Eighty Six I suppose.
Art/ sounds right. Advertising campaigns for other media like video games and films are still troped on VideoGame/ and Film/ (I know for the former we did try, and it went terribly)
If by "try" you mean "one user unilaterally moved a page for a major upcoming work to Advertising/ to try to make a point", yes.
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I don't think that troper was trying to make a point. Their position didn't change after the page moved back to VideoGame/.
But enough about that.
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TabletopGame.New Vindicators seems to be an online writeup of a tabletop game campaign (specifically, Mutants & Masterminds). I was under the impression that Tabletop Game/ is for, well, the tabletop games themselves, not descriptions of the campaigns. I would have assumed that the work would go under either Fanfic/ or Roleplay/ (like Roleplay.Record Of Lodoss War, I guess?), but back in 2015, the page was apparently moved to its present location by Septimus Heap. Considering some of New Vindicators' subpages are indexed on Roleplay-centered pages (for example, the Awesome page is indexed under Awesome.Roleplay), I would guess that that was where it was located before the move.
I obviously don't want to just ignore a mod's decision, but I don't think I've ever seen the Tabletop Game/ namespace used this way before. I'm not exactly sure what namespace would fit it though.
Also, the external links are all dead.
That's right, specific campaigns go in the medium they're presented in (usually WebVideo/, Podcast/ or Roleplay/, though occasionally others.)
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Saki Sanobashi is in the anime namespace, despite there being zero evidence that it ever existed as an actual anime instead of an urban legend. Where should it go, and is it even tropable by our standards?
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Isn't this the Polybius situation again?
I don't know if this one was ever mentioned in the thread, but...
The page Tintin and Alph-Art (Yves Rodier) is under the Fanfic/ namespace, which seems a misuse as it's clearly a work of Sequential Art, and Fanfic/ is mostly for written stories.
I'm not sure if the correct namespace should be ComicBook/ or Webcomic/, though; it is indeed already in the Fan Webcomics index. Any insight?
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I don't remember the Polybius situation, but probably
According to this:
So in that case it'd be Comic Book.
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Saki Sanobashi falls into the category of “urban legends” (while it’s often considered lost media, there’s no evidence of its existence beyond the original 4chan post as far as I know). We do have a page for Polybius (which is an Urban Legend with many different versions of it, all of which are troped on the same page), so I think the page might be fine as it is if Polybius gets a pass. Real or not, it’s still tropeable as a concept.
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I agree with the recent posts on Sanobashi and Tintin.
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I think the folklore around Hershel of Ostropol is worth having its own page, but I'm not sure what namespace to use. Would he go under "Myth" as a folkloric character, even though he was a real, documented person? There have also been a couple of books written about his exploits.
Looking at some of the Historical Domain Characters and Public Domain Characters we have listed, it seems like Myth/ is used for characters whose real-life existance hasn't been confirmed, like Myth.Robin Hood. Useful Notes/ seems to be the namespace for people who actually existed, even when many stories or elements associated with them are (probably) fictional, such as UsefulNotes.Johnny Appleseed.
Edited by Willowleaf24 on May 17th 2021 at 10:47:58 AM
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Correct. I'm not sure how consistent it is, but that's the goal.
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Why is Bad Lip Reading in Music/ and not WebVideo/? Yes, many of their works are musical, but they also have a good array of videos that aren't musical in any capacity.
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Awesomeblackguy is banned, so no help there. Maybe ~The Cuza, ~Oecchi, ~Aeon1337, and ~Green_lantern40 can share their opinions.
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I don't really see that the definition listed on the page is "A webcomic is Exactly What It Sounds Like, a comic on the World Wide Web." Simply a Comic released on the Web.
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