This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz
— books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title
.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
NewMedia.Vine: By ~stuffedninja, that should be at WebOriginal.Vine, I believe.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanAnd somebody moved Transformers Classics to Franchise even though a single work is not a franchise, and cutlisted Multimedia, so I had to move it back to Main. I'm really sorry, but if people keep moving the page where it doesn't belong, and nobody will create a correct namespace, I don't know what else to do. :/
Why did you waste time moving it to Main/ when it doesn't belong there in any case?
I'll call ~St Fan in.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIf it was a single work, why the heck did it was moved to a "Multimedia/" folder in the first place?
The legit Namespaces are listed in the Namespace page, is it too hard to consult it before moving a page, rather than invent a new namespace that isn't accepted?
And moving it back to Main/ rather than trying to find the correct Namespace is plain and simply ridiculous!
Why do we want an article on Vine anyway? It's a social media platform, not a work. And Arkady, stop making Multimedia as a namespace.
edited 28th May '14 12:18:56 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Because there IS no existing namespace for works which are told in more than one medium.
I don't think it's fair to be so nasty to me for not being able to figure out something which doesn't exist yet. And when I've already tried having a discussion here with nobody listening to me.
If the first person to move it hadn't done so without discussing what the correct namespace would be, I wouldn't have had to do this.
I'm getting frustrated at people being nasty when I've made a good faith attempt to discuss this and gotten nothing but brushoffs.
To review, Transformers: Classic might be put into several pre-existing namespaces:
- Franchise/ - Because the episodic works that make up the Classic series are in multiple media formats.
- Literature/ - Because the series began with written prose.
- Comic Book/ - Because the series is best known for the comics.
- Fan Fic/ - Because the series is produced by a Fan Club company.
Any one of the four should be acceptable, and different tropers have different opinions.
edited 28th May '14 12:31:32 PM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Nope, that's like saying a TV series is a Franchise when there's only the one series.
And I explained multiple times now how it's not fanfic.
And while I could live with one of the half-incorrect options if we at least pick a consistent criteria, I really don't see why it's so hard to just create a new namespace for works with more than one medium.
Here's a thought: Why don't we call in people actually familiar with the works? I've tried PMing a few people who might know the works.
edited 28th May '14 12:36:30 PM by ArkadyDarell
Usually, works with more than one medium are:
- Works with more than one work page, one for each medium.
- Works in the namespace of the first medium that describe the other mediums on the same page.
And you (Arkaday) refuse to listen to what the Franchise Name Space actually means.
edited 28th May '14 12:38:33 PM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.The Franchise namespace is for multiple works in, well, the same franchise.
Not for a single work.
Look, can we possibly call in people actually familiar with the work in question? It's a little frustrating listening to people who aren't familiar with the work trying to act like they know better than me what it is.
If people who actually know what they're talking about come up with something different than what I want, then I'll accept it.
edited 28th May '14 12:38:40 PM by ArkadyDarell
I've been messaging with Arkady Darell, but I give up, as he doesn't seem to understand he's the one not having followed procedure.
From the infos above, it seems my choice of "Franchise/" wasn't too bad a compromise.
The "first serve" rule would seem to point to "Literature/", though.
Arkady, consider this an official warning to stop messing with the article and leave the issue alone. You are too personally invested and your temper tantrums are making it hard to get work done.
Put the thing in Franchise/ and be done with it.
edited 28th May '14 12:41:56 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The New World and Games of Deception are not the same work, though.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.^ That's like saying "RagTag" and "Girl in the Flower Dress" aren't the same work.
Or Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is not the same work as Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
A series of works is still multiple works.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Yes, linking illegally made fan translations of light novels is a no-no. This isn't an illegally made fan translations of a light novel. This is an original creation uploaded for free by the creator Aorii
.
What a site is primarily used for doesn't change if something is illegal or not.
edited 24th May '14 3:26:12 AM by m8e