I do adapt to the rules here, but like you said I am new and if I crossed the line or did mistakes I do not do them on full purpose and I apologized for them. But I have the right to tell my opinion of things and ask someone of the higher ups to take my locks away. BUT I really need an avatar here and I try to get it done without breaking rules.
Yeah. Normally we're cool with anything that improves an article, but sometimes what seems like a minor change can trigger major aftershocks. It's something you have to play by feel, and learn by experience. YKTTW laconics, for one, can very quickly become Serious Business because that's the viewer's first impression of the trope under construction (and you know what they say about first impressions).
edited 20th Feb '12 7:02:38 PM by Stratadrake
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.Thanks lu127 for telling everyone in the YKTTW that I am not allowed there...
Yeah, that was probably unnecessary, but that's about it. The decision itself was a moderator one due to heated tempers and harassing PM's.
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.If you notice, the comment above mine is directed at him/her. I said it so the posters would stop arguing with him/her about the definition, since it's temporarily on-hold.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerOk, need some help here.
I've added all the examples given to me in YKTTW (except for some without context), and before I move in to refine the description, I'd like to, if possible, salvage what examples I can from the sandbox.
However, most of them do not have enough context for me to work on. Could those who are familiar with the works check them and give me some context? For instance, Alice carries Bob in work X isn't really a meaningful example.
I can't help with the anime or Video games but of the others: Beast Master looks good, from the context (he doubts her strength); Small Wonder is good (Vicki is a robot who looks like a ten-year old girl); DCU's Big Barda is good (she's a Big Bruiser type hero); and Ever After looks good.
The others don't appear to have the "to show their strength" aspect.
edited 22nd Feb '12 1:01:01 PM by Madrugada
Thanks, Madrugada.
Ok, let's see the anime ones:
- On Ranma ½, Akane Tendo carries Ranma piggyback after transforming him into a girl because he didn't want it as a guy. Akane also carries Ukyo the same way in a later episode when she was hit unconscious by an attack. (sounds like an interesting take on how Ranma thinks of himself according to his gender, but doesn't seem to emphasize Akane's strength)
- Ukyo should also be mentioned when she carries Ranma in her arms to deceive a crossdresser. Ranma was in his female form here as well, otherwise he probably wouldn't jump onto Ukyo's arms. (is this supposed to show she's strong? If not, it's out)
- Shampoo catches Mousse in her arms after saving him from a villain. She is a Hot Amazon after all! (need some more details here. Is he a Badass in Distress or a Non-Action Guy? Is she the strongest or the dominant one in the relationship?)
- Many women getting carried over other girls' shoulders in Agent Aika, Aika R-16 and Aika Zero. Mainly because of some panty shots... (doesn't seemto fit. Unless it's effortless and meant to show strength, it's no good)
- Ran in Detective Conan is carrying her father piggyback after he had drunken too much. There must be plenty more of her doing this in a series with around 600 episodes.
- Ran is carrying a woman out of a burning house, thus saving her life. (both look irrelevant. There's no emphasis on strength.)
- Right at the beginning of the second episode of Earth Maiden Arjuna Juna is seen carrying her boyfriend Tokio in her arms after saving him from a monster. The fact that at first she wasn´t even aware of holding him shows that she must be pretty strong in her human form too. (looks legit, but could use some elaboration. Is she the stronger of the two? Does it show she has better chances at survival than him? Does it imply protectiveness?)
- In Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne Yamato daydreams of a wedding with Maron, but in his thoughts she is the one carrying him. Maybe he knows she is stronger than him, being athletic and all. (sounds more like Bridal Carry)
- In one episode of Inu Yasha Kagome and Kikyou are alone in a cave fighting some fiends, until Kikyou is too exhausted and Kagome has to carry her piggyback through the cave. (removing-doesn't look like the trope at all)
- Nagisa from Pretty Cure is carrying a boy on her arms to rescue him from an enemy attack. (Zero Context Example. Is it meant to show she's strong?)
- In Girls Bravo Yukinari is going to be kidnapped by Kosame. She knocks him out and carries him over her shoulder. He is further handled like a doll when Kirie fights against Kosame while she still holds him. (sounds legit. Do they knock him out because he's a Non-Action Guy and the girls have to take care of things as they are stronger?)
- Karura from Utawarerumono kidnaps Hakuoru by carrying him over her shoulder like a cavewoman. To stop him from complaining to much, she just gags his mouth. And even when the other girls see him in this desperate situation they couldn´t care less... (This looks better than most. Is she a Big Gal and the dominant one?)
- Kei from Dirty Pair lifts up a grown man, swings him over her shoulder and rescues him from heavy enemy fire. (Is she an Action Girl? Is it supposed to say strong?)
- In an earlier episode, Yuri gets picked up in a bearhug by a female wrestler. (looks legit, to underline the wrestler's prowess)
- Eclair from Kiddy Grade puts two man under her arms and carries them out of a house to save them from enemy fire. (Action Girl? Big Gal? Not sure about this one.)
- Sakura in Naruto is holding Sasuke under one arm after saving him from falling down a cliff. In an earlier episode she also puts Naruto under her arm to take him with her. (removing, she's never portrayed strong this way. She only smashes stuff as a sign of strength)
@Ranma One Half: Yes, Mousse is basically a Badass in Distress there, and yes Shampoo is the dominant one in the "relationship" - he's her Stalker with a Crush whom she repeatedly handed his ass to countless times for annoying her and getting in the way of her question for Ranma's heart/underpants. And no, that does not diminish much from his Badass status; it's part slapstick comedy, part him being unable to bring himself to raise a hand against her.
@Agent Aika: From what I've seen of it, she does it with seeming effortlessness (the women are all of similar size and build), though she technically only has Super-Strength in her Super Mode. Most of the lifting seems to be in official artwork, though.
@Dirty Pair: Yeah, Kei is an Action Girl (and co-Trope Namer of Lovely Angels, BTW), and also the "muscle" and tomboy of the Tomboy and Girly Girl pair she forms with co-lead Yuri.
edited 22nd Feb '12 3:17:26 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I can add that I think the Ranma example with him only letting Akane carry him when he's in girl form is pretty much this trope, but from the carried person's perspective, or an inverse form of it, in that he'll only allow himself to seem weak in girl form. It's not a straight example, but it clearly shows awareness of the trope.
The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.@Detective Conan: I would say the first part definitly counts with her carrying her father. It happens at the beginning of ep 222. @Earth Maiden Arjuna: She is the stronger of the two and often fights to protect him too. Here too at beginning of ep 2. @Pretty Cure: Nagisa is the strong tomboy of the pair.But I think there is a trope that fits these two better. The lift happens in ep 35. @Girls Bravo: He is definitly helpless...In this show the girls do the fighting. ep 3 @Utawarerumono: Karura is the fighter of the group and by far the strongest of them. Watch the example at ep 18 @Kiddy Grade: Eclair has superstrength, so it is easy for her. Well I suppose it does not count. I added the episodes in case you want to check it yourself.
Ok, thanks. I'll work on those tomorrow.*
Now, combing through the examples, it seems we can find three things this trope signifies and they all look connected:
- Shows off a woman's strength.
- Establishes the woman as the dominant one.
- When posed as a challenge, it displays the woman's determination, where she chooses to carry the guy even if she lacks the strength. (ex. the Ever After case).
Do you think we can work all those in the description for now?
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerWell, we're almost there. Anybody care to give some thoughts on the YKTTW?
It appears there's not much else to say, so a final thought. Is this image
◊ any clearer than the other, or should we use the previous one? Or none at all, if neither is good, I don't really mind.
My only criticism of this image is that it might be mistaken for Makoto throwing Ami up into the air rather than lifting her by one hand.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Ok, I won't add it.
So, because I forgot, any index ideas? I can only think of Double Standard right now. :/
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

Justlook, you have ownership issues. Reading through your posts on the YKTTW you seem unable to let anyone change anything from your original ideas. The wiki does not work that way. You do not own the trope. As you seem unable to let go even after having been warned on this thread, you have proven yourself not mature enough to use the YKTTW.
You lost your PM privileges for sending a rude and abusive to another troper. That is not what the PM system is for.
When you learn how to work with other tropes and not just yell at them, you can be unsuspended, but your behaviour in this thread right now is not impressing me.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick