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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#76: Jun 17th 2012 at 12:20:55 AM

You are able to natter-fy yourself. As far as I'm aware, it doesn't go to the mods — think of how many there might be! If I click "natter-fy" next to my most recent edit on Ears for Elves, it goes to this screen for confirmation and to let me look over the message, though I'm unable to edit it. I can change the timestamp, even removing digits, by editing the URL bar.

edited 17th Jun '12 12:22:42 AM by Telcontar

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#77: Jun 17th 2012 at 12:38:21 AM

It doesn't go to the mods—we'd be spammed with natterfiers if it did. -___-

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#78: Jun 17th 2012 at 7:33:44 AM

I'm getting the sense the mods are not copied on natter-fications, and persistent natterers still have to be reported on Ask The Tropers.

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#79: Jun 17th 2012 at 8:00:00 AM

You're right that there's no notification to us that someone was natterfied.

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Indigo12ash from Aperture Science Since: Feb, 2012
#80: Jun 24th 2012 at 4:19:50 PM

Bump.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#81: Jun 25th 2012 at 8:14:55 AM

Eddie said at our last mod meeting that this was in the works, so it's only a matter of when he can get to it, I hope.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#82: Jul 4th 2012 at 4:57:36 PM

[up]That is good. Will any updates for the implementation still be on this thread, or a new one?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#83: Jul 5th 2012 at 3:09:30 AM

[up]I think it will be this thread, or the GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS one.

And I can't say I am going to use this sparingly; I have already succeeded in "re-educating" a few tropers with the natterfy button and I am sure it will work here as well.

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#84: Jul 5th 2012 at 3:21:10 AM

I'll be glad when this is implemented — I remember one person saying on a discussion page that they had received a natterfication for non-natter stuff, simply because it was the only option. I've already used these P Ms a couple times through copy-pasting and filling in the blanks manually.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
battosaijoe Since: Jan, 2010
#85: Jul 5th 2012 at 3:31:29 AM

[up] The only option? That's just laziness right there. All you gotta do is click on a name in a history to get to the Send PM screen.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#86: Jul 5th 2012 at 3:58:30 AM

[up]A button is still easier. Also, the people which I PM'ed for inappropriate editing without using a default message have a worrisome tendency to get banned afterwards.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#87: Aug 1st 2012 at 11:40:55 AM

Has anybody a good writeup for general and inappropriate opinionating?

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Sheora (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#88: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:25:34 PM

I saw discussion here about a YMMV message but there's not a writeup in the sandbox. Was the idea scrapped? I think it's an important one to have.

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#89: Aug 2nd 2012 at 7:41:36 AM

[up][up]No, I don't believe so.

[up]I don't think it was scrapped, I just think no one has written it.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#90: Aug 2nd 2012 at 1:26:32 PM

Added a draft.

Incidentally, Fast Eddie, is it possible to store the PM messages as part of a wiki page instead of in the back-end of the servers so that new drafts can be added or edited by the general public/moderators instead of always requiring admin intervention? A bit like the MediaWiki/ namespace in Wikipedia?

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Sheora (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#91: Aug 3rd 2012 at 3:21:47 AM

Ok, giving the YMMV writeup a shot then. I might as well be a contributing member of society.

The <page> edit you made on <time stamp> contains a link to a trope that has been designated Your Mileage May Vary. These tropes have been classified this way because of their high subjectivity. A separate subpage has been designated for these tropes and examples for a work can be placed there. If this trope was used In-Universe, then adding the coding tag [[ invoked ]] and explaining it's utilization will clear up this problem. Thanks for helping us keep the wiki cool.

edited 3rd Aug '12 3:23:41 AM by Sheora

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#92: Aug 3rd 2012 at 5:48:12 AM

[up] That looks good, except for the it's —> its error.

edited 3rd Aug '12 5:48:26 AM by Willbyr

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#93: Aug 3rd 2012 at 8:06:43 AM

I would mention that some things that go on YMMV are actually not tropes, but rather audience reactions. Anything we can do to raise awareness of the difference is a good thing.

edited 3rd Aug '12 8:06:56 AM by ccoa

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#94: Aug 3rd 2012 at 8:38:15 AM

^The problem is that "trope" in technical language refers to any of these things that have pages here that aren't works. Case in point: YMMV audience reactions and trivia get the same page type as tropes.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
azul120 Since: Jan, 2001
#95: Aug 3rd 2012 at 10:54:38 AM

I think the natterfy button has the potential to be misused. I just find it patronizing and distracting in cases when a simple edit explanation will suffice. Repeat offenders? Go right ahead.

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#96: Aug 3rd 2012 at 10:59:00 AM

You can't always tell if someone's a repeat offender without going through their history extensively. Leaving an Edit Reason that explains the addition was natter only works if they go back to the page and check the history at the right time. A natterfication is a quick, simple way to let someone know about a page they may not have read, and it helps prevent the problem happening again.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#97: Aug 3rd 2012 at 12:09:55 PM

There is no evidence that edit reasons prevent natter. Indeed, you wouldn't expect it to, because how many editors go back and check on a drive-by edit? On the other hand, we know for a fact that the Natterfy button reaches them, and we have evidence that it has changed people's editing habits. We have had maybe half a dozen cases of it being misused (abused would be too strong a word).

The good far outweighs the bad.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
VmKid Since: Sep, 2009
#98: Aug 3rd 2012 at 4:07:04 PM

I'd think that repeated misuse of the Natterfy menu, like misuse of almost any other feature, would lead to a suspension. How exactly the mods would know that is is being misused is another problem.

edited 3rd Aug '12 4:07:54 PM by VmKid

Sheora (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#99: Aug 5th 2012 at 6:00:54 AM

While there are false positives with the natterfy button, I don't think it's a breeding ground for abuse. If someone uses it to harass you, it's as simple as reporting it to the mods. Edit reasons are more for someone who is looking at the page history and wants insight into why you changed what you changed (or to save them from comparing the two lines letter by letter to find the comma you deleted). The idea with PMs is to nip the behavior before it spreads further and educate the person in proper editing.

The image writeup seems weird to me. It makes it sound like you should never add an image to a page without an Image Picking Discussion.

@Willbyr: Whoops! Thanks for catching that. My reputation as a grammar Nazi is tarnished.

edited 5th Aug '12 6:10:52 AM by Sheora

azul120 Since: Jan, 2001
#100: Aug 6th 2012 at 1:07:12 PM

I tend to have more than a few tropes on watch, and make multiple visits to my own edit history to follow up on my own edits to see how they are going.

Speaking of the latter, checking a person's edit history for their personal habits is [i]highly[/i] advisable when it comes to considering natter-fying them. One other thing with the natter-fy button is that it gives out a stock PM with no indication regarding what they did. It just sort of paints all posters with a single brush.


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