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Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#576: Feb 19th 2012 at 1:11:39 PM

Just finished catching up. Nice to see that the "feed" idea is sticking around.

There was another suggestion that I think was mis-interpreted but would work well. Frank 75 (554) asked if "it'd be possible to highlight links to to-be-renamed tropes somehow, just like YMMV tropes on main work pages." I have no idea what the coding would be like, but is it possible to make it so that "if the linked to page has a TRS banner, then the bullet point associated with (or the color of) the link is [insert noticeable change]?" Sort of like how works pages are italicized, special characters are added, and the different color bullet points for YMMV tropes?

I don't know if the temporary status of the TRS banners would make this be a major change in coding and it still would not be seen by everyone, but it is another way to solve the issue of alerting the general reader to major trope-name/trope-page changes without requiring them to go to the TRS thread or put every trope they are interested in on their Watched list.

EDIT:added the strike and corrected spelling

edited 19th Feb '12 6:45:20 PM by Belian

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#577: Feb 19th 2012 at 4:42:43 PM

Works pages aren't automatically italicized, you have to do that manually.

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Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#578: Feb 19th 2012 at 6:44:00 PM

Hmm... I could have sworn that they were auto-italicized at some point. Well, the rest of the post still stands.

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
#579: Feb 19th 2012 at 7:48:47 PM

It was suggested at some point, but that's all.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#580: Feb 20th 2012 at 8:09:31 AM

However, there's several proposals in the works. The punctuation is added by the Custom Titler (which has a bug or two) which isn't really usable for this. The YMMV mimicry is an interesting idea, but we've already got a pile of things we listed that could make use of it as well (Trivia, redirects, disambiguations).

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#581: Feb 20th 2012 at 1:31:23 PM

Um, I'm honestly not sure if someone mentioned this (so if they did, please put the link to the post), but what about splitting TRS? A section for renames, a section for splitting, a section for description work (since the description thread is getting a bit backlogged, like the old image picking thread), and a section for multiple issues. And a thread that gets changed from one type can be moved to the appropriate one.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#582: Feb 20th 2012 at 1:53:26 PM

It was mentioned last year, when we were trying to clean out a mega-backlog in TRS. Here's one of the reasons against a split.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#583: Feb 20th 2012 at 1:58:13 PM

Well, my answer to that would be an unsorted section, and thread could not be made for the others, only moved by a mod once the right action had been determined (a good case for any repair would still have to be made of course).

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#584: Feb 20th 2012 at 3:06:15 PM

^In that thread, Madrugada (I think) said that this would just create confusion about the correct subforum and result in ping-ponging between subfora.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#585: Feb 20th 2012 at 3:39:12 PM

How about tagging the threads to denote whether they are "Rename thread", "Rewrite/fix description", etc., and the tags manifest as icons on the TRS thread list, where you can also toggle the view to show only threads of a specific tag?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#586: Feb 20th 2012 at 3:40:52 PM

Seems good, but who gives said tags?

Anyway, I think that allowing the threads to be stacked by wick number could make it easier to take the execution phase of a TRS thread.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#587: Feb 20th 2012 at 3:57:01 PM

[up][up][up]What I mean is we can only start a new thread in the unsorted. If it's valid, then what is asked to be repaired gets moved by a mod to that section. If the thread changes, we can then ask a mod to move it again.

edited 20th Feb '12 3:57:25 PM by DragonQuestZ

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#588: Feb 20th 2012 at 3:57:12 PM

Actually, splitting of the split section seems like it would be the most effective.

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#589: Feb 20th 2012 at 5:35:29 PM

If you're tagging threads, it shouldn't be with "Rename" and "Split" and "Merge", it should be with "Misused" and "Prematurely launched" and "Unclear definition". Better to focus on the problem. If you tag the thread based on the action you want to take, it could lead to tunnel vision.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#590: Feb 20th 2012 at 6:48:51 PM

Well then the mods would decide where to move a thread, once it's determined that it's valid.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
#591: Feb 20th 2012 at 7:04:10 PM

That's interesting — TRS could have a dropdown box so you can tag a thread according to the type of problem the article has. Then we can have a matching view dropdown to show only those threads.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#592: Feb 20th 2012 at 10:48:45 PM

I'm liking the tag idea. If that could show up on the TRS banner that shows up on the page too, that might be helpful.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#593: Feb 21st 2012 at 4:37:13 AM

I certainly can get behind the checkbox - or type-in box - option.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#594: Feb 21st 2012 at 6:03:18 AM

Like Madrugada sad in the thread linked to a few posts up, the favored solution for a particular page often changes once or twice over the course of the TRS thread. I don't really see that tagging specific threads will help anything. If I'm interested in the trope that's linked to the thread, I'll get in there. If I'm not, I won't.

Besides, usually people write "Rename" or "Clean up" or "Cut" or whatever as the thread title. We can enforce that practice, and mods can be asked to change thread titles to reflect changing solutions.

I think that splitting TRS into sub-forums will just make the whole process more work for everyone involved, and more opaque for new users. As it is right now, it's a one-stop-shop for all significant actions proposed for trope pages and occasionally works pages.

edited 21st Feb '12 7:23:36 AM by Martello

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Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#595: Feb 21st 2012 at 6:50:46 AM

As said earlier:

If you're tagging threads, it shouldn't be with "Rename" and "Split" and "Merge", it should be with "Misused" and "Prematurely launched" and "Unclear definition".

People could title the threads with a "why" instead of a "what." Then use a check/drop-down box to signify what action has been decided on. There would be only one forum that you can chose to sort/search by action being taken.

At least, that is my interpretation/combination of the last few posts.

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#596: Feb 21st 2012 at 7:03:38 AM

I like that. Modification coming to create conversation page for TRS. Should be useful for IP, as well, if we can get some ideas about what the common reasons for opening an IP are.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#597: Feb 21st 2012 at 7:05:18 AM

Common reasons for Image Pickin':

Just A Face And A Caption

Suggestion

Spoiler

Trope obscured

Shows wrong trope

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#598: Feb 21st 2012 at 7:10:15 AM

Does "Suggestion" cover "this image illustrates the trope better"? What else does it cover?

Also, what does "Trope obscured" stand for?

edited 21st Feb '12 7:10:48 AM by MarqFJA

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#599: Feb 21st 2012 at 7:11:49 AM

Other IP reasons:

Bad quality

Copyright

PS: Breaking this conversation, I think that the create conversation screen in TRS could use an explanation of what doesn't go in TRS.

edited 21st Feb '12 7:12:15 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#600: Feb 21st 2012 at 7:13:42 AM

Suggestion includes anything where somebody believes they have an image that would unseat the current image, or lack there of.

Trope obscured is basically bad image composition where the trope is off in a corner compared to being the central part, which is where the image is focused.

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