Wait, didn't someone mention that we have a "needs redirects" thread in Special Efforts or some such? Maybe we should sticky that.
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Though I don't object to that
I almost wholly agree with 464
I have some draft invalid reasons here
. I want to point out to Spark9 that "I like it" is indeed there. It's not about thought-policing, it's about not wasting time on bullshit lines of reasoning. I wouldn't want any system preventing people from putting forward those or any other reasons, but I'd look the other way* if they got laughed at for doing so.
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edited 11th Feb '12 10:06:57 PM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —OedipusAccording to When To Rename A Trope, an unclear name is enough of a reason to propose a rename. Both those names are horribly unclear.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerI think a good trope name is one that would make sense were I to explain it to my elderly mother. She wouldn't understand what Yum Yum is, but (to her embarrassment), she'd probably understand what Erotic Eating is.
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful@Hershele: "I like it" was pretty much the only argument that was put forward to support keeping Nightmare Fuel. I'd be all for that argument being invalid, but apparently 130 or so people around here disagree.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Well, it's a fundamental issue, but generally the site has a clear goal that is distinct from "what people like". That means that if enough people like something that deviates from the site goal, it gets cut anyway - the biggest example being Troper Tales.
Anyway, "I don't like it" is now explicitly and formally disallowed to start a thread on either IP or TRS, so that solves one half of the problem. The other half is that anything related to Harry Potter or My Little Pony is impervious to any changes, at least for now. YMMV as to whether this is a problem, but it relates to the fundamental issue above.
Not true. We renamed The Dumbledore, and all of the My Little Pony stuff that's come up lately has been clean up that's coming along at about normal TRS pace.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickHarry Potter may be slowly getting out of the way, since movies and books are all over, but ponies won't be easy to maintain for a while.
edited 12th Feb '12 11:19:16 AM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerYou did see my line about being a major problem for the wiki, right? I wasn't involved in the Troper Tales discussion, but presumably it got cut because enough people were convinced it caused major problems for the wiki.
Also, cheep shots at fandoms you apparently don't like aren't fair, and aren't accurate. Consider the renaming of The Dumbledore as an example of things Harry Potter related was changed. I've also seen MLP pictures pulled from pages, voted down in pulls, etc. I've seen MLP dedicated tropes get shot down in YKTTW.
I'm of the Harry Potter fandom, and I wouldn't have opposed the rename of The Dumbledore, had I been around when it happened.
Now, the immaturity of people attacking pony fans is both annoying and unfair. The premise of this IP thread
being the biggest offender. However, ponies have a lot of shoehorning everywhere. The fact that there used to be a High Octane Nightmare Fuel for a show like that, can tell you how overzealous the fans are.
The point being, a trope named after a character, isn't a very clear name, regardless of the popularity of the work. By our criteria that's the reason to rename, not "I don't like it".
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerI had a whole proposal written out for what I think should be done with TRS; I come back today, look at the headlines, and find it's been implemented before I even posted it. If anything, mine was slightly more rename-friendly ::polishes Fo RKS badge::
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But that's not a discussion it's fruitful to have. The important part is that the process should be evidence-based first and foremost.
The child is father to the man —OedipusStill, if "I don't like it" is no longer a valid argument for cutting, renaming, or really any major action - and it shouldn't be - then "I like it" also needs to be considered an invalid argument for the inverse.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.The Just for Fun pages beg to differ. We have a lot of things on this wiki that really are just because people like it. I think the real argument though is 'This is fun and it's not causing any problems on the wiki.'
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickRight, that's what I mean. I have no problem with Just For Fun pages at all, in fact I like some of them quite a bit. But it's the bloated Natter Magnets like ANF/HONF and others that need a better argument besides "I like it" in favor of keeping them or not making any major changes.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.And that's exactly the problem. Most of the "it's fun" people also have no desire to put any work into the fun page. That's starting to change over on the NF/HONF thread, which is a very good thing.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler."I like it" isn't a more valid reason than "I don't like it," but we really don't need reasons to keep a name, or, rather, lack of any valid reason to change a name is a valid reason to keep it.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus"I see valid reasons to rename, but I don't think it should be renamed because I like it" is, well, wrong. "I see no valid reasons to rename" is fine, and in that case "... and I like it" is lagniappe.
So "I like it" to mean the second is just poorly worded, not invalid.
NF/HONF?
edited 12th Feb '12 2:53:20 PM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus

My experience with "redirect farming" is that it's also an open invitation to look for a rename as well.
That's because understanding the English language is the only requirement for using the site. Hence, clarity hinges only on the English language and common idioms there of, rather than the memes or quotes from works that are kicking around at any given time.
Fight smart, not fair.