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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#26: Feb 8th 2012 at 1:33:52 PM

[up]Oh, those are definitely bad. I was merely presenting hypothetical ways in which it could happen, basically to show it's possible to subvert rule of cool tropes. You just have to be creative, and still follow the proper definition of Subverted Trope.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#27: Feb 8th 2012 at 1:47:19 PM

Curiously, I've also noticed that some people take the lesson too much to heart, and shy away from labeling something a subversion even when it clearly is (usually in favor of "aversion.")

Point them to "Not A Subversion" which addresses that.

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#28: Feb 8th 2012 at 2:12:43 PM

@DQZ, I understand what you're saying — I just wish more other people did, too.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#29: Feb 8th 2012 at 2:13:12 PM

I still say it should be outright renamed to Bait And Switch Trope, as that's a better qualifier for what it does. I know that's not for this thread, or even likely to happen. I'm just stating that would help people know better what is and isn't a subversion.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#30: Feb 8th 2012 at 2:27:45 PM

Upon cleaning up Moral Guardians, I noticed people were listing examples as subversions... that were Real Life examples. *facepalm*

I wonder if it would be possible to change the Natter-fy button to a more general button that gives you a list of form P Ms to select from. Such as one about natter, one about Repair Dont Respond, one about Example Indentation, one about Playing with a Trope, one about Word Cruft, etc.

edited 8th Feb '12 2:27:58 PM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#31: Feb 8th 2012 at 2:28:56 PM

Those would be nice.

At a quick glance Word Cruft looks like War Craft.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#32: Feb 8th 2012 at 2:34:14 PM

I wonder if it would be possible to change the Natter-fy button to a more general button that gives you a list of form P Ms to select from. Such as one about natter, one about Repair, Don't Respond, one about Example Indentation, one about Playing with a Trope, one about Word Cruft, etc.

I've been wondering that! That would be great.

edited 8th Feb '12 2:54:17 PM by Ghilz

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#33: Feb 8th 2012 at 2:35:26 PM

[up][up] and ^: Yes. There are mistakes that tropers just have to repeat over and over again and Natter is only one of them. Example Indentation In Trope Lists is another annoying one.

Anyway, that tech proposal goes into Tech Wishlist

edited 8th Feb '12 2:35:56 PM by SeptimusHeap

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
#34: Feb 9th 2012 at 10:50:01 AM

I could support expanding the "natterfy" button to a general "notify editor of [insert faux pas here]". Heck, my writing style is formal enough I could even provide some of the messages.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#35: Feb 9th 2012 at 11:47:48 AM

Ghilz was nice enough to start a Tech Wishlist thread for it, so we can garner volunteers/support/ideas there.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Desertopa Not Actually Indie Since: Jan, 2001
Not Actually Indie
#36: Feb 10th 2012 at 11:45:32 AM

Right. Some tropes can't even be subverted anyway. I'm cleaning up More Dakka right now, which is a major fucking project, and I'm pretty sure you can't "subvert" a Rule Of Cool trope. Nobody ever said dakka had to be effective, as long as there's more of it.

Oh, you can subvert More Dakka alright. You just have to set up the expectation in your audience, then defy it.

For example, have a hulking bruiser carry a huge, 36 barrel gun. They take aim, and the barrels start spinning around at high speed.

And the gun goes

Thupathupathupathupathupathup... plib

and spits out a single pellet.

Which causes a huge explosion.

edited 10th Feb '12 11:46:06 AM by Desertopa

...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.
CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
#37: Feb 10th 2012 at 2:46:32 PM

[up] Or it turns out the gun is deliberately designed to look bigger than it is for intimidation purposes (the intent being to scare the enemy into running away before they realise it's actually just a normal gun with a collossal number of barrels). 'Long as the audience isn't told that before the characters faced with the gun, it would still be a subversion I think?

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