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Deadlock Clock: May 4th 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Feb 4th 2012 at 11:33:11 PM

It gives no indication that the hair was done up before. Just pairing it with a picture of Azula's hair up woul be the simple solution, but of course there are others.

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KaiserMazoku Since: Apr, 2011
#2: Feb 4th 2012 at 11:34:23 PM

Definitely needs a before pic

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#3: Feb 5th 2012 at 10:20:09 AM

Some suggestions to pair it with (from the second season opener):

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Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#4: Feb 5th 2012 at 11:58:15 AM

I don't know the scene, but the caption make it sound as if she removed the hairpin herself. Isn't the trope about instances when the hair gets undone without the character wanting it?

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#5: Feb 5th 2012 at 12:43:02 PM

The description doesn't seem to narrow it to that. But we should make sure anyway.

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Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#6: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:26:29 PM

The whole point of the trope is that the hair comes undone during a fight (or an other action scene). This is to show how intense the fight is and that the character is not completly in controll of the situation or themself (and yes it is fanservice).

If the hair is let down by the character themself it has an other feeling. And using your hairpin to hang on a cliff sound like a cool act of someone completly in controll of the situation.

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil Since: Dec, 2011
#7: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:30:29 PM

I don't think it matters who does it, the character herself or the enemy.

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Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#8: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:44:00 PM

The whole paragraph about the stability of real life ponytails is indication enough that this trope is about accidental undone hair.

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil Since: Dec, 2011
#9: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:11:25 PM

I don't see how it rules out ponytails made by pins, which can be used to make a done up hairstyle that comes lose if you just pull the pin out.

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Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#10: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:15:33 PM

This kind of hairstyle is included, but the character pulling them out on purpose is not.

edited 5th Feb '12 2:16:36 PM by Osmium

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil Since: Dec, 2011
#11: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:21:25 PM

I can't find any line that suggests that in the description.

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Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#12: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:28:37 PM

I see nothing in the description including cases were characters let their hair down on purpose.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#13: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:37:10 PM

[up]Why are you assuming exclusion by default? That's not how descriptions work. If they leave a parameter out, then we need to check, not assume.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#14: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:39:53 PM

It also doesn't say it's not about plaid sharks :P but ok...

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#15: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:45:21 PM

[up]Hey, the definition DID set the parameters. So if a shark is drawn with hair, and the hair did this, it would fit this trope.

The point is the parameters actually stated don't exclude why the hair is undone.

edited 5th Feb '12 2:45:41 PM by DragonQuestZ

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defunctzombie Since: Feb, 2010
#16: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:52:42 PM

Isn't the trope along the lines of "ponytail comes out at slightest hint of action"? Like in the Curse of the Golden Flower, the king just kind of backhands the kid and his ponytail comes out. Can't we find any good two part images that get this across?

Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#17: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:53:18 PM

If you want to show characters who are in complete control of a fight, much stronger as the opponent and level headed you can show it by having them every hair of their fancy hairdo in place after the fight. The connection is untouched hair-no problem.

If you want to show characters who a facing a strong opponent, who have a hard time during the fight, have to give them all, who maybe even lose then you can refelect this by the hairdo getting undone. By this you show that the characters are looing the control over the situation as they are losing control over the hair. The hair is a powerful visual shortcut for this kind of situation. The fanservice is more a bonuspoint and should't be that much the focus of the description

If you include every instance letting hair down to the trope you water it down.

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil Since: Dec, 2011
#18: Feb 5th 2012 at 3:18:32 PM

Well, the Azula example that brought this up would still follow that definition. In that scene, she was defeated. The only thing that saved her was that she pulled out the pin in her hair to use as a Blade Brake.

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Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#19: Feb 5th 2012 at 3:24:00 PM

I don't know this scene, but she looks far to smug. She doesen't look beat up she looks like she just revealed that she has a ace up her sleve and letting her hair down was not a sign of loosing control it was just a side effect of using the pin.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#20: Feb 5th 2012 at 3:29:34 PM

Only five more posts before we are on the second page of a thread with no replacement suggestions :P

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#21: Feb 5th 2012 at 3:36:47 PM

[up]Post #3?

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#22: Feb 5th 2012 at 3:38:35 PM

Those are images, but they aren't replacement suggestions.

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Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#23: Feb 5th 2012 at 3:44:28 PM

OK. I suggest Jin. He looks like he just had a fight, and the clothing damage is a nice extra. (An I like how his hair suddenly is that long and full) [1] [2]

Katara [3]

Kanda [4][5] [6]

Gaston [7] [8]

edited 5th Feb '12 4:17:04 PM by Osmium

Psychobabble6 from the spark of Westeros Since: May, 2011
#24: Feb 5th 2012 at 7:33:19 PM

Hm. Azula is pretty smug in that scene, but she is just the epitome of this trope in the finale...

Regardless, that's a ton of spoiler.

Anywho, Katara, as she starts losing and after she's pretty much lost.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#25: Feb 5th 2012 at 7:35:47 PM

Didn't we have a two panel Samurai Jack picture up there before?

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