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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#526: Mar 14th 2013 at 8:24:06 AM

Also: Can I start yanking examples that don't fit/are race-incidental?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#527: Mar 14th 2013 at 9:42:53 AM

Removing bad examples is a free action. Go for it.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#528: Mar 20th 2013 at 2:05:02 PM

Removing some. Also commenting out some of the many, many ZC Es.

I do have a couple questions.

1: What constitutes a gender-inversion? Would the Asian guy be demure and the white girl a Mighty Whitey, or would it be a Mighty Asian and demure girl?

2: What about instances of Mighty Whitey getting the Asian girl where she's not particularly demure, but he gets her because he's so damn mighty?

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#529: Mar 20th 2013 at 2:19:01 PM

1) Gender inverted means just flipping the gender, so it would be mighty White woman and demure Asian man. Expect lampshading to ensue.

2) If the girl is a genuine Action Girl or fairly tough in her own right, then it's not this trope.

edited 20th Mar '13 2:19:21 PM by TotemicHero

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#530: Mar 20th 2013 at 2:21:44 PM

[up]No, that's not exactly correct.

  1. Both. Although, the latter is probably most common in Asian fiction. I recall a few anime, for example, with a powerful Asian man and a white damsel.

  2. As I mentioned before, her being demure is not what signifies the trope. What does is the white man being more mighty than her, or being more advantaged (for example, she's uneducated, a prostitute, doesn't speak English well, a stranger in a foreign land, or even a Dragon Lady; those are all examples).

edited 20th Mar '13 2:22:32 PM by KingZeal

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#531: Mar 20th 2013 at 2:29:06 PM

So... huh.

1: I'm going to go with "Both" but assuming one of them is blatantly misbalanced (and it's clear from the description)

2: So what if she is a genuine Action Girl, but compared to the Mighty Whitey she may as well just be a porcelain doll?

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#532: Mar 20th 2013 at 2:33:58 PM

Like I said, her being an Action Girl doesn't automatically disqualify her for the trope.

For example, I argued earlier that Knives Chau from Scott Pilgrim qualifies. The point of the trope is that the asian woman is treated as a doormat, is dismissed by her lover, or needs/loves him more than he needs/loves her. She passes that part with flying colors, despite the fact that she is also a Badass.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#533: Mar 26th 2013 at 4:54:56 PM

Done clearing out ZC Es/removing obvious non-examples. Someone want to look over and make sure I didn't axe something I shouldn't have or miss anything?

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helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#534: Mar 26th 2013 at 5:32:48 PM

[up][up] Does it count when it's an acknowledged character flaw, though? I think it wouldn't because it dismisses the white guy part of it. It's not a fantasy born out of a "submissive, exotic" woman, it's that she's codependent and he's taking advantage of her. That, or it's some form of Played With version of this trope.

KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#535: Mar 26th 2013 at 8:57:04 PM

I'd say it's either Discussed or Lampshaded, but that's about it.

It's still using the stereotype, whether its acknowledged or not.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#536: Mar 27th 2013 at 7:06:49 AM

Can we call the crowner yet?

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#537: Mar 27th 2013 at 3:57:26 PM

Considering that the crowner results aren't even visible to me any more (likely due to the ongoing DDoS countermeasures), I'd say this thread, along with most TRS threads, is kind of tabled until that all gets sorted out.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#538: Mar 27th 2013 at 4:01:12 PM

The crowner votes are still visible in the crowner index, but since the problem actively screws with the votes, we can't rely on that either.

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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#540: Mar 28th 2013 at 4:19:42 AM

The last vote count before the DoS was 18-2, I remember.

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#541: Apr 5th 2013 at 4:57:01 PM

Can we proceed to the name change?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#542: Apr 6th 2013 at 2:22:37 AM

I would just go ahead by now.

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#543: Apr 6th 2013 at 7:49:18 AM

It's been this long, I'd say go for it.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#544: Apr 6th 2013 at 10:50:21 AM

OK, went ahead and did the rename as well as wick cleanup. I also repointed the redirect Me Love You Long Time to Asian Hooker Stereotype and dewicked it (Whoever renamed it to Asian Gal with White Guy forgot the wick cleanup).

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